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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2014-09-21 17:06:43 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

While the Goon propaganda brigade can shout as loud as they can "we don't give a damn for dead ratters", the fact that Deklein is the #1 ratting region and Branch is the #2 in nullsec testifies otherwise. The fact that Goons and their minions rat more than literally anyone else proves without doubt that Goons and their minions want to rat.

Whoever stops them from ratting takes something important from them. And MoA - even by your words - is very good in doing that.


The alliance only cares about it so much as it brings in a bit of tax money, and they encourage it mostly as a means to keep members logged in and living in our space. After that, each member is responsible for their own ratting ship and replacing it if they lose it.

While individuals may care about ratting losses, We do not. Ratting by itself is a personal isk making venture, and if an individual screws that up it is all on them. Same as a CFC member losing their personal freighter full of their own moon goo products. And the same goes for goons who take a loss station trading or industrialist who build ships that don't sell. We just don't really care all that much when someone's personal get rich quick scheme blows up in their face, especially if it is from something they have been warned about.
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2014-09-21 17:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I'm having a hard time understanding Gevlon's argument.

1) CFC Deploys to Delve
2) MOA and friends delcare on people left in Deklein (afk ratters)
3) CFC wins war and comes home
4) CFC deploys one squad to MOA "home base" (npc null)
5) MOA immediately redeploy to a different region and lose like 300+ members

*Snip* Removed off-topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

Apparently Gevlon "caused" hundreds of billions of damage to us in this time- ????????????????

I'd like to propose a counter argument: Goons are doing 10's or 100's of billions worth of ISK damage to Gevlon Goblin, because we've not actually lost anything.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#143 - 2014-09-22 04:02:41 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Without ratters, Sov is just empty space that eats CONCORD costs.


lol

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P'tank
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2014-09-22 09:51:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Gevlon Goblin wrote:


...

  • CFC members are obviously not eligible.

    • ....



    You know why you have this rule right? Due to the Vile Rat memorial the alliances who caused the most damage to the CFC are all members of the CFC :D, for example this kill: https://zkillboard.com/kill/41273842/

    So please send us your 20B.

    *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
    MASSADEATH
    MASS A DEATH
    Scumlords
    #145 - 2014-09-22 15:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
    We actually stomped the goons last night in a heads up fight... without thier ability to cyno blob us... we killed them all and pushed them off grid and chased them out of system where they had to jump out using 4AB JB

    https://zkillboard.com/related/30002005/201409212100/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%221354830081%22%2C%221006830534%22%5D%7D/


    No idea why later some people decided to field dreads

    We do like to PvP..we dont live in the middle of the CFC if we did not like to kill them. We are the last entity in the north that is fighting them.

    When they use their numbers to camp us... we just move over top another system and attack from there..its no big deal.

    I think you have to understand, that we are alone in the north, in the middle of CFC and goons, and we tend to come out ahead in most cases. I think if the situation were reversed, most of your CFC groups would fold under the pressure. In a 1v1 your CFC groups are substandard..as shown by the C02 vs MOA war dec...we are handily beating them down now at 5b killed vs 2b lost.

    *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
    The data does not support that we are bad in anyway, in fact we are a very capable small gang alliance, that faces huge odds against us, whilst being surrounded by the enemy.
    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    S.N.O.T.
    #146 - 2014-09-22 16:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
    MASSADEATH wrote:
    When they use their numbers to camp us... we just move over top another system and attack from there..its no big deal.
    Yup, I guess it's no big deal... except clearly from the responses of your members it is. It's OK to just close your eyes and pretend nobody cares, but clearly it matters to some people a fair bit.

    MASSADEATH wrote:
    I think you have to understand, that we are alone in the north, in the middle of CFC and goons, and we tend to come out ahead in most cases. I think if the situation were reversed, most of your CFC groups would fold under the pressure. In a 1v1 your CFC groups are substandard..as shown by the C02 vs MOA war dec...we are handily beating them down now at 5b killed vs 2b lost.

    *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
    The data does not support that we are bad in anyway, in fact we are a very capable small gang alliance, that faces huge odds against us, whilst being surrounded by the enemy.
    The CFC was at one point in that position, and they became what they did. And most large null groups are pretty easy to kill 1 on 1, that's not how they generally fight, so most of their members are not practiced at that.

    The funny thing is though, you can chestbeat all you like, but when it does come to an even fight, you barely scrape by without calling for help. You use pretty cheap fits and punish your members for using anything too blingy to keep your loss numbers down, but MoA really aren't at the top end of the PvP scale.

    *Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.
    Your members are leaving because you're so awesome that their eyes hurt.

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    Mr Omniblivion
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #147 - 2014-09-22 16:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
    MASSADEATH wrote:

    I think you have to understand, that we are alone in the north, in the middle of CFC and goons, and we tend to come out ahead in most cases. I think if the situation were reversed, most of your CFC groups would fold under the pressure. In a 1v1 your CFC groups are substandard..as shown by the C02 vs MOA war dec...we are handily beating them down now at 5b killed vs 2b lost.

    *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
    The data does not support that we are bad in anyway, in fact we are a very capable small gang alliance, that faces huge odds against us, whilst being surrounded by the enemy.


    Let me help you out here and summarize this whole situation.

    - MoA like to PVP, and are probably better at it than many Goons.
    - Instead of just PVPing, you turn your campaign into a perceived "Holy War" against our "goonie heads" with support from Some Irrelevant Guy
    - Thus, your "campaign" has evolved into a laughing stock because your total damage inflicted on the CFC has been less than the damage we did to ourselves in one day on Vile Rat Day (feel free to run the numbers on this one, tell me if I'm wrong)

    What you need to understand is that Goons also like to PVP, which is why we temporarily deployed one squad to your home system. ISK efficiency doesn't come into play whatsoever for us. When you're talking about a coalition, our goals are objective based rather than "we blew up more isk than we lost". We make trillion(s) of ISK per month at the coalition level, so losing 5bil in battleships to a battleship fleet with carrier support is just another day for us. It's especially hilarious when we then get to kill 2 of your dreads after the fact and basically level out the "isk efficiency"

    If you, MoA, and Gevlon want to be taken seriously- drop the "holy war" mentality and just PVP and have fun. Sure, there will always be **** talking from all sides. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

    Note: we won't ever actually take Gevlon seriously.
    Gevlon Goblin
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #148 - 2014-09-22 18:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
    Mr Omniblivion wrote:

    If you, MoA, and Gevlon want to be taken seriously- drop the "holy war" mentality and just PVP and have fun. Sure, there will always be **** talking from all sides.
    *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


    Indeed not. I heard stories about some rabble who didn't have just PvP fun and declaread a Holy War on the alliance holding most of nullsec Band of Brothers. I wonder how that went. I guess they were destroyed by the big and powerful BoB.

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    Mr Omniblivion
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #149 - 2014-09-22 19:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Omniblivion
    Gevlon Goblin wrote:
    Mr Omniblivion wrote:
    Note: we won't ever actually take Gevlon seriously.


    Indeed not. I heard stories about some rabble who didn't have just PvP fun and declaread a Holy War on the alliance holding most of nullsec Band of Brothers. I wonder how that went. I guess they were destroyed by the big and powerful BoB.


    Seems like you need a history.lesson.

    tl;dr

    -BoB invaded Syndicate to camp our new fledgling alliance
    -We joined RSF and Tau Ceti in a long actual war against BoB

    -MoA was a temporary member of the CFC
    -They were kicked out for contributing quite literally nothing to the coalition ("we want to be completely independent from the CFC but be blue to you")
    -All they care about is ISK efficiency, because That Matters (tm)

    Edit: reminiscing about the days when we used to be "allied" with PL and NC
    ISD Ezwal
    ISD Community Communications Liaisons
    ISD Alliance
    #150 - 2014-09-23 19:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
    I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
    Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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    Thread re-opened.

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    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    S.N.O.T.
    #151 - 2014-09-23 20:24:56 UTC
    Sigh...

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    Leto Thule
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #152 - 2014-09-23 22:14:02 UTC
    Lucas Kell wrote:
    Sigh...


    "Almost" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades, Lucas.

    Congratulations on your promotion, Ezwal.

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    Mr Omniblivion
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #153 - 2014-09-24 03:39:25 UTC
    I genuinely feel bad for ISD Ezwal because he volunteers to read through all of our garbage Smile
    Amyclas Amatin
    SUNDERING
    Goonswarm Federation
    #154 - 2014-09-24 04:11:58 UTC
    I just want to post about our valiant resistance to the Gevlon menace!

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    ISD Ezwal
    ISD Community Communications Liaisons
    ISD Alliance
    #155 - 2014-09-24 11:29:44 UTC
    Amyclas Amatin wrote:
    I just want to post about our valiant resistance to the Gevlon menace!
    And you are absolutely free to do so, as long as your post does not break the forum rules. Or, and sometimes this rather important detail seems to be ignored, is in reply to a rule breaking post.

    That said, I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

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    CyberRaver
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #156 - 2014-09-24 12:00:21 UTC
    By all means keep funding a orgination that is totally innefective
    Who kill less goons then we do ourselves
    Seriously we would spend more in fuel saving a reffed tower then we lose to MOA in a single day


    But anyways im sure we will be seeing MOA again soon
    Mallak Azaria
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #157 - 2014-09-24 18:28:36 UTC
    Quick everyone start a forum riot so I have something to do today.

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    Lady Spank
    Get Out Nasty Face
    #158 - 2014-09-25 04:04:42 UTC
    I'd wardec him but he doesn't actually do anything of note in-game.

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    Seraph IX Basarab
    Outer Path
    Seraphim Division
    #159 - 2014-09-25 05:06:07 UTC
    To be fair the only thing Lucas Kell has hurt in game is perhaps an asteroid.
    Alp Khan
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #160 - 2014-09-25 05:31:51 UTC
    Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
    To be fair the only thing Lucas Kell has hurt in game is perhaps an asteroid.


    To be fair, one should first look at his own personal attempts of shifting the meta game so far and take into account the lack of any results, and with that knowledge of clear failure, should consider making claims like the above about the others.