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New adventurer in WH's - But where is everyone?

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-09-09 14:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Lucas Kell wrote:
Absolute bullshit
Lucas Kell wrote:
Wormholes suck.

Yeah, don't listen to a word Lucas says...his above statement of "Wormholes suck" is almost as poisonous as the idiots who stay in the NPC corp telling new players not to join a corp because "reasons", not to go into lowsec or null because they will die or telling newbies to go mine for a living...simple as that...

As a wormholer I can tell you that yes, people are moving out. But also there are still plenty of people in wormholes.

Often you will find certain people mining or hauling PI or even dropping MTUs while they run the next site in RR Domi's.

C2 and C5 holes see the most mutal PvP from personal experience. Where most miners I've caught tend to be in C1s.
You can find people doing PI in a lot of holes.

You have to remember that there are 2498 wormholes in Eve. Compare that to nullsec: 3524 and hisec: 1090, that should put things into perspective if you don't run into someone.

If you truly want to experience wormhole space, I would suggest joining a wormhole corporation or enquiring about Braves wormhole corp (I believe they're called Dropbears, although don't hold me to that).

Another thing you might want to do is stop by the wormhole subforum.

One thing I would very much say for you not to do, is try wormholing solo. Joining a corp that owns a hole gives you access to a base of operations and allows for different tactics to look for targets (or have targets come to you).

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#22 - 2014-09-09 15:39:37 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Wormholes suck. The vast majority of WH activity will be a few big groups and then people like yourself flying in looking for easy kills. The people you'll catch are normally solo or small group players who have no clue what they are doing and will usually pack up and leave shortly after you kill them. The problem is that wormholes are much harder work (because of the logistics issues) and the benefit for that is miniscule. Without being in a huge group that can farm en masse, they're better off running incursions or blitzing missions.

So yeah, targets will be scarce. It's another example of where they've tried to make the game so "hardcore" that any would-be target is put off from venturing there, so all you are left with is a handful of hunters with no prey to hunt.


This entire post is completely false and anyone who has any WH experience will know from reading it that Lucas has none.


  1. Gas mining in WH space is the most profitable gas in the game. 60mil in an hour in a Tech1 Frigate.
  2. The data/relic sites, forget which ones, can be solo run in a Marauder and net you a billion or more for less than an hour work.
  3. Not to mention "quad caps", which doesn't necessarily even need a huge fleet (2 dreads 2 carriers and a loki) can make you a few hundred million in an hour. I think my average is 300mil for 1-2 hours, which would take a mission runner all day.
  4. Same thing goes for "static ops" which usually only uses 1 carrier and a few BS + loki.
  5. Mining in a WH is usually safer than mining in NullSec (despite what Ore Anom whiners say).
  6. Production costs in WHs are cheaper than anywhere else in EVE.
  7. The PI is arguably better if your system has good planets.
  8. Even in a C6 you're still only a few jumps from HiSec most of the time, compare this to Null which could be dozens of jumps before LowSec.
  9. PvP in WHs is just better, even though the "armor tech3" meta is annoying. You get small gangs, big gangs, frig, cruiser fleets - everything up to dreads'n'carriers - without hotdrops, cynos, or TiDi.
  10. No alliance/coalition/bloc drama and nonsense to deal with.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#23 - 2014-09-09 15:40:50 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
If you truly want to experience wormhole space, I would suggest joining a wormhole corporation or enquiring about Braves wormhole corp (I believe they're called Dropbears, although don't hold me to that).


Dropbears Anonymous.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-09-09 15:41:55 UTC
Two reasons you dont see many people when you're in w-space.

1. Timezones
2. Cloaks
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#25 - 2014-09-09 15:57:11 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
If you truly want to experience wormhole space, I would suggest joining a wormhole corporation or enquiring about Braves wormhole corp (I believe they're called Dropbears, although don't hold me to that).


Dropbears Anonymous.

Thank you. Big smile

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#26 - 2014-09-09 18:42:50 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If there is any change that would discourage people from entering wormholes, it's this "distance by mass" effect meaning that if the WH is camped, there's no jumping back out because you can end up "autopilot distance" from the hole.

And it brings us once again to "pay for a new account to get a scout alt" routine that looks like a scam to most people. Let's see, get another sub (that's double the payment for people with one account)

OR

Just do highsec incursions or missions



DUH. No brainer there. In a game where stats or ISK are the end all be all (and it was advertised that way) people either want ISK meaning they'll find the easiest way to get it, or they want stats in the easiest manner (highsec war, opportunistic ganking) or they want to at the least keep their ships off someone else's kill board (deciding that if you are not going to be the boot, then don't be the ass either).

The outcome was predictable. I've been selling off my Astero's and Stratioses rather then risk enhancing someone else's killboard.




You end up at pretty much the same distance as before in typical wh ships. If you are 1-2km out of the jump range, you'll make it safely back just as earlier.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-09-09 18:59:50 UTC
Captain Soju wrote:
About 3 weeks ago i took my first trip inside a wh and scored a couple of kills with my brand new SB which got me quite hyped so i have bee on the hunt for at least a couple of hours every day. To my disappointment, i have not seen a single person on any sleeper sites/mining/hauling. All i've been seeing is bubbles POS's with inactive ships for 99% of the time or the occasional astero scanning around.

I can confidently say that i've become pretty good at probe scanning and Dscanning and i can quickly find POS's in wh's. Also i try not to use probes early inside wh's so that i won't scare people off. But where is everyone?

My question as a WH noobie is: Is this scarcity of targets typical in wh's or is it something that changed with the Hyperion patch? Also, should i give it some time for the changes to sink in or should i be looking for outher sources of pvp? I've been to plenty C3-C6's and even though there is a POS in almost every one of them, i rarely see sleeper wrecks or mined ore fields.

At this point i im focusing on my SB and within the next month i will be in a pretty good spot gank wise, but it's not my gank i have an issue with but the lack of targets.

So, anyone who could shed some light to my mysterious back luck would be greatly appreciated

7o


Sounds like a troll attempt since you mention word Hyperion, but on the off-chance it isnt, heres the answer.

You are doing it wrong. 95% of wh space is empty, and is only transited on occasion by cloaky players. Chance of a kill is random and low.

I am not going to tell you how to hunt the hunter, so to speak, but your approach is very wrong and simply shows you dont understand how WH corps operate. Join one for a few months, and you will know how to hunt wormhollers. Jumping into any random hole and hoping to probe someone is.... pointless.
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