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[Proposal] 4 Racial Mining Barges
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Trading Concern
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-09-06 03:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Trading Concern
I have often wondered why miners are restricted to Gallente mining class vessels.

i propose that 3 additional ships should be added to provide variety and attract more industrial folk into the game.

Minmatar mining barge
This is concept art of what a Minmatar Barge could look like. It is essentially an old rusted steel girder with an engine and lazors.

Amarr Mining Barge
This is concept art of what a Amarr Barge could look like. The T2 variant could be black perhaps and be Khanid.

Caldari Mining Barge
And Finally here is concept art for a Caldari Barge. I found a use for this otherwise useless hull.

If there were racial mining barges this could lead on to pirate faction mining barges, such as Mordus Angels.
Mordus Angels Mining Barge

Please discuss my proposal.
Trading Concern
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-09-06 03:02:50 UTC
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-09-06 03:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Three things...

1. Mining Barges are not Gallente. They are of Gallente origin... but they are their own separate faction with separate ship skills. No racial pre-requisites are needed.

2. A long time ago each race used to have a racial mining frigate and cruiser. When the separate ORE line came along the racial cruisers fell out of favor (and the mining frigates were never very useful past one week). Eventually the racial ships were repurposed into T1 logi ships.

3. Why?

How did you Veterans start?
Trading Concern
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-09-06 03:37:45 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Three things...

1. Mining Barges are not Gallente. They are of Gallente origin... but they are their own separate faction with separate ship skills. No racial pre-requisites are needed.

2. A long time ago each race used to have a racial mining frigate and cruiser. When the separate ORE line came along the racial cruisers fell out of favor (and the mining frigates were never very useful past one week). Eventually the racial ships were repurposed into T1 logi ships.

3. Why?


Why not just have one faction of cruisers?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2014-09-06 03:48:36 UTC
Because each faction has different traits and tactics that sets it apart from the others.

Mining, on the other hand, is tactically two dimensional. You mine... and either you tank whatever threat presents itself... or you run away.

Besides... this would undo the changes that were made to de-racialize mining... which was a common complaint back in the day.


Now answer the question: why?

How did you Veterans start?
Trading Concern
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-09-06 03:51:46 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Because each faction has different traits and tactics that sets it apart from the others.

Mining, on the other hand, is tactically two dimensional. You mine... and either you tank whatever threat presents itself... or you run away.

Besides... this would undo the changes that were made to de-racialize mining... which was a common complaint back in the day.


Now answer the question: why?


Just more variety I guess. Each race could be stronger at using specific crystals. Ice for example is race specific isn't it?
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#7 - 2014-09-08 17:53:33 UTC
No point to undo the changes.

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Emiko Rowna
Keys To The Stars
#8 - 2014-09-11 04:37:31 UTC
I could see each Navy commissioning ORE to create a more survivable version. Maybe one that had a little more teeth to it requiring cross training in combat skills. From the Navy LP?

So it would not be a new skill but would require training to some current combat skills.

Just my reaction to first reading this.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-09-11 07:50:41 UTC
excellent pictures visualizing the racial barges.

I think the minmatar and mordus barges will look briliant judging by your 3d art designs.

here are my proposals for each racial bonuses

Minmatar :

100% to shield boost amount
100% to stasis web range

Autocannons can now shoot chunks out of asteriods which can be scooped (and webbed)

Amarr :

100% to armor resistance
100% to energy neutralizer range and draining amount

Mining lasers now do damage do ship hulls directly

Caldari :

100% to shield resistance
100% to ecm strength and range

Defender missiles not automatically shoot catalysts and other potential gankers.

Mordus :

100% Warp disruptor and scrambler range
100% to missile damage

frying pan bonus : ore can now be compressed in the ship

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Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#10 - 2014-09-19 12:34:46 UTC
Luwc wrote:
excellent pictures visualizing the racial barges.

I think the minmatar and mordus barges will look briliant judging by your 3d art designs.

here are my proposals for each racial bonuses

Minmatar :

100% to shield boost amount
100% to stasis web range

Autocannons can now shoot chunks out of asteriods which can be scooped (and webbed)

Amarr :

100% to armor resistance
100% to energy neutralizer range and draining amount

Mining lasers now do damage do ship hulls directly

Caldari :

100% to shield resistance
100% to ecm strength and range

Defender missiles not automatically shoot catalysts and other potential gankers.

Mordus :

100% Warp disruptor and scrambler range
100% to missile damage

frying pan bonus : ore can now be compressed in the ship

The only one that would ever be flown is the Caldari version, but even that would be rare. As it currently is, more people go for yield over tank, so unless the existing barges and exhumers are removed, they'll still be the primary ships as they get a bonus. You might see the Caldari version on a large mining op as a bit of anti-ganker protection, but considering the incredibly small risk of being banked, your lost income over a traditional barge would rarely be worth it.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#11 - 2014-10-03 18:29:24 UTC
This serves no real purpose as it does not truly fill any role gaps.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
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#12 - 2014-10-04 17:43:02 UTC
Trading Concern wrote:
I have often wondered why miners are restricted to Gallente mining class vessels.

i propose that 3 additional ships should be added to provide variety and attract more industrial folk into the game.

Minmatar mining barge
This is concept art of what a Minmatar Barge could look like. It is essentially an old rusted steel girder with an engine and lazors.

Amarr Mining Barge
This is concept art of what a Amarr Barge could look like. The T2 variant could be black perhaps and be Khanid.

Caldari Mining Barge
And Finally here is concept art for a Caldari Barge. I found a use for this otherwise useless hull.

If there were racial mining barges this could lead on to pirate faction mining barges, such as Mordus Angels.
Mordus Angels Mining Barge

Please discuss my proposal.


LOL! you sir, are a genius!

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#13 - 2014-10-07 16:38:03 UTC
Still no as it still serves no purpose.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||