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How Long Until Drones are Finally Nerfed

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#141 - 2014-09-08 17:01:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
My biggest problem with drones is that ships can run missions AFK using them, and AFK rat with them (in null you can fit ECM on a carrier, so the carrier draws the aggro and your senttries/fighters rip apart the rats)....that is terrible. At the very least they need a major nerf, and personally I would prefer to see them removed from the game entirely.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#142 - 2014-09-08 17:12:24 UTC
Those AFK hand-ins are too OP

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#143 - 2014-09-08 17:13:20 UTC
Roflsaures Rex wrote:
nerf drones and gallente are extremely useless


Yes because the Proteus, Enyo and all gallente ships use drones as their main weapon system.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#144 - 2014-09-08 17:26:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
My biggest problem with drones is that ships can run missions AFK using them, and AFK rat with them (in null you can fit ECM on a carrier, so the carrier draws the aggro and your senttries/fighters rip apart the rats)....that is terrible. At the very least they need a major nerf, and personally I would prefer to see them removed from the game entirely.


So you've done it then? AFK Mission?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#145 - 2014-09-08 18:04:56 UTC
I also witnessed cruise missile & painter fitted golem eating everything on the field for breakfast, lunch, supper and late night snack.
Maybe we should nerf some golems while were at it or maybe AT isn't TQ because I certainly haven't seen much frigate eating terror marauders lately.
Chinwe Rhei
Syn Interstellar
#146 - 2014-09-08 18:11:58 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
My biggest problem with drones is that ships can run missions AFK using them, and AFK rat with them (in null you can fit ECM on a carrier, so the carrier draws the aggro and your senttries/fighters rip apart the rats)....that is terrible. At the very least they need a major nerf, and personally I would prefer to see them removed from the game entirely.


Erm, mission rats switch targets to drones now all the time. When you don't use sentries missioning in a drone ship is exasperating and even with those you'll have to pull them in every once in a while to lose aggro or lose them.

Drones aren't going away. They got some love because they're considered a primary weapon system now, instead of the auxiliary one they were before - they're supposed to be every bit as versatile and powerful for the Gallente/Amarr as missiles are for Caldari/Minmatar.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2014-09-08 18:43:52 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
So we have all been saying drones are OP
no WE haven't. You don't speak for me and don't pretend you speak for the silent majority.

The ships that use them might be unbalanced but drones themselves are not OP.



Sentries are not balanced. This is why every scrub in EVE runs Ishtard fleets.

The current ship balancers are right up there with greyscale on the ineptometer. We had more viable doctrines before tiercide.
Myrradah
Apotheosis of Caledvwich
#148 - 2014-09-08 18:55:21 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Next Friday at 3PM, or not.

It's unclear. Whenever I shake this thing the answers change.





Perfect answer +1
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#149 - 2014-09-08 19:23:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
My biggest problem with drones is that ships can run missions AFK using them, and AFK rat with them (in null you can fit ECM on a carrier, so the carrier draws the aggro and your senttries/fighters rip apart the rats)....that is terrible. At the very least they need a major nerf, and personally I would prefer to see them removed from the game entirely.


This may have been the case before the AI switch.

It is no longer. Drones are eaten when ratting constantly now, with no real rhyme or reason. In general the rats stick to their own weight class and up in what they will engage, so you can safely use light drones once you have cleared all the Frigates and destroyers.

There has been a lot of rumors about ewar, logi, proximity, and other factors influencing AI behavior. I can tell you from personal experience and much testing that all of that is either wishful thinking or such a small influence as to be of no practical use. The only reliable, useful difference I have seen in drones getting aggroed is that it happens less if you have 3+ fleetmates on grid.

In many missions fully bonused light drones will be destroyed between the time it takes me to click launch drones and press the recall button.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#150 - 2014-09-08 20:38:23 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
My biggest problem with drones is that ships can run missions AFK using them, and AFK rat with them (in null you can fit ECM on a carrier, so the carrier draws the aggro and your senttries/fighters rip apart the rats)....that is terrible. At the very least they need a major nerf, and personally I would prefer to see them removed from the game entirely.


Sure lets also remove everything else that is sligthly unbalanced. I'm pretty sure EVE anno 2004 is going to be fun to play.

❤️️💛💚💙💜

Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2014-09-08 20:57:17 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
So we have all been saying drones are OP
no WE haven't. You don't speak for me and don't pretend you speak for the silent majority.

The ships that use them might be unbalanced but drones themselves are not OP.



Sentries are not balanced. This is why every scrub in EVE runs Ishtard fleets.

The current ship balancers are right up there with greyscale on the ineptometer. We had more viable doctrines before tiercide.

Sentries on ishtar/VNI/Vexor are unbalanced. Sentries on carriers are unbalanced. Throw sentries on other ships and it becomes more practical in working against them and using other tactics. Mostly involved in killing the ships rather than the sentries. Cruisers using sentries with effectiveness on par with battleships in the same role is the problem.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2014-09-08 23:25:10 UTC
IIshira wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Every other drone in the game (aside from Geckos and fighter-bombers) had their damage buffed for all levels of Drone Interfacing below level 5.


And for those that trained Drone Interfacing to 5?... Damage nerfed, same or buffed?

I know CCP nerfed the skill from 20 percent to 10 percent per level so this made some newer pilots very happy. Most of us that have been around more than six months and use drones as a major part of their DPS have trained it to 5 (or should have)

Drones (except for the Gecko) were changed so that the damage at DI 5 would be the same as before, yet at lower levels it would be higher. And then some drones had their damage buffed or nerfed around these lines, and of course T2 sentries had the addition of the racial spec skills modifier.

I had DI 5 trained on my combat characters long before Kronos, and I agree with CCP on the change. I'd still train it to 5 even with the halved bonus.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#153 - 2014-09-08 23:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
So we have all been saying drones are OP
no WE haven't. You don't speak for me and don't pretend you speak for the silent majority.

The ships that use them might be unbalanced but drones themselves are not OP.



Sentries are not balanced. This is why every scrub in EVE runs Ishtard fleets.

The current ship balancers are right up there with greyscale on the ineptometer. We had more viable doctrines before tiercide.

Don't be like that. The balance changes have made a lot more ships viable in smaller and medium gang settings. Sentry drone dominant meta for large scale fights was around before any drone changes, not to mention said changes have only gone to nerf the overall viability of such fleets.

All that said you are right about sentries. Nerf damage by 15%, make it so only battleships and carriers can field them.

Hey guys.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2014-09-08 23:34:26 UTC
As a carrier pilot, I'd argue that carriers really shouldn't be able to field them either.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#155 - 2014-09-08 23:40:11 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As a carrier pilot, I'd argue that carriers really shouldn't be able to field them either.


Guess you dont like your carrier.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2014-09-08 23:59:32 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As a carrier pilot, I'd argue that carriers really shouldn't be able to field them either.


Guess you dont like your carrier.

I like it a lot, but the things I'm able to do with my sentries are a bit absurd.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#157 - 2014-09-09 00:40:08 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Django Askulf wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As a carrier pilot, I'd argue that carriers really shouldn't be able to field them either.


Guess you dont like your carrier.

I like it a lot, but the things I'm able to do with my sentries are a bit absurd.


Its not really, especially if you arent surrounded by blue. And no, Im not trying to take a jab, just implying the picture is sometimes bigger, than everyone see's.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2014-09-09 01:10:01 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Django Askulf wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As a carrier pilot, I'd argue that carriers really shouldn't be able to field them either.


Guess you dont like your carrier.

I like it a lot, but the things I'm able to do with my sentries are a bit absurd.


Its not really, especially if you arent surrounded by blue.

Seeing as capital ships are intended for fleet warfare, this is not how they should be balanced.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#159 - 2014-09-09 01:19:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Django Askulf
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Django Askulf wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Django Askulf wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
As a carrier pilot, I'd argue that carriers really shouldn't be able to field them either.


Guess you dont like your carrier.

I like it a lot, but the things I'm able to do with my sentries are a bit absurd.


Its not really, especially if you arent surrounded by blue.

Seeing as capital ships are intended for fleet warfare, this is not how they should be balanced.


Gee, I wasnt aware. I suppose I could go into a ramble about the size fleets. Either way though, carrier DPS from sentries isnt really that great. And as slow as carriers are to align, myself I find sentries a little constricting, wouldnt want them nerfed to being useless, or removed. Perhaps I should just join a blob.


I wonder which meta will be next on the nerf train, after everyone is done with this.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#160 - 2014-09-09 01:52:39 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
I think you mean "Sentry Drones"

Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working.



I think Hydra Reloaded would have a few things to say about that statement.



Mostly how wrong it is.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.