EVE General Discussion

Eve is not dieing,its stagnant with most of the blame lieing squarely on the community with Null sec being a prime example.The lack of conflict is smothering this game right now and that is not CPP's fault, its ours.

Trailing 7 day average of the daily maxes? That would seem to take care of the weekly cycles and reduce the jumpiness.

Ships and pods... Not people. Some of these crazies might take that the wrong way

Not exactly true dude. I remember pre-dominion sov when nullsec was full of small alliances (occupying 1-2 systems), there was many unoccupied space systems, there were many conflicts between those small alliances. After dominion and "meaningful" plant-a-infinite HP-flag mechanic, everything goes to hell. Sov null was never so boring as it is now. Yes we can see some epic fights, occasionally, but in the long term...it is boring.

So yes, it is also CCPs fault.

Yeah the way some people act destroying another player's ship is like murder lol...

Maybe a new Eve carebear slogan "Pixels are people too!"

I don't agree with you on this one.

The shrinking of EVE was a long time coming and it was always on the backs of CCP and their notorious Nerf Bat. They don't swing it to balance, they swing it when something is trending. Nobody is immune, it can get aimed at High Sec, Low Sec, Null Sec. Of course it was never popular to hang out in low sec so there was never a trend demand to nerf it. Null has seen nerfs when people began to pool there. It would again if 200K decided to roll in to null and be happy Null bear farmers.

I understand why they do it. PvP is not a true ISK sink, it in fact creates ISK. The EVE we have right now is the best they can hope for in terms of ISK sink. All Sov to index 5 is the biggest ISK sink in the game. They have a conflict in their job. ISK reduction or vibrant PvP. They can't have both. They created this problem when they pulled all the ISK sinks out of the seed based POS fuel system and added it to a Planet side system.

CCP did this. We just skirted it better than they expected, like we always do.

Congrats to the ISD for removing some very well written constructive posts that in no way could be considered ranting or off topic yet leaving posts about goat simulator....

So now we have selective moderation on our forums, not a good sign.



Null Sec is the biggest problem CCP have and the most difficult to solve by a mile.

What we currently have is a group of entities that control near enough the entire of null sec. These entities are control by a small group of people and these people for the most part are friends or at the very least acquaintances. These people have shared a beer or 10 with each at fanfest or at other social gatherings.

There is nothing wrong with any of this. Eve is just the type of game that encourages this and that is a good thing.

Now these people will do what ever they feel is required to keep the status quo. This is just human nature at work, nothing insidious about it.

These entities have been around for a long time in one various guise or another containing players who have also been around for years.

The have an in depth knowledge of the game mechanics, a logistical backbone which is virtually undisruptable, for all intent and purposes a unlimited pool of isk, and play the meta game like no other.

I can not see how any new group which is unconnected to these entities or any person outside of this small group of players can put together a force from scratch to take them on.

You can fly around null sec and come across system after system which are empty yet nobody will try and claim these systems by force as they know they can not win.

The second they fire 1 shot against any structure the opposing force will know. There is no element of surprise when it comes to Sov Mechanics. The defending force has ample time to scout the force the attacking force and then put together a fleet that is more the capable of destroying it in short order with little risk.

The time of new forces emerging is over. What ever wars will occur in null sec will be down to those groups which already exist and we have already seen a number of times that they will happily make agreements and essentially have "good fights" but will never go for the kill.

How do you fix this.. I have no idea. It sure wont be one magic bullet but a multitude of many changes over a period of time and even then you are battling against human nature.

I have said a number that I personally do not believe CCP have any idea how to move forward in regards to null sec and Sov Mechanics.

People have been saying something needs to be done for years and I have yet to see anything from CCP to suggest that they have any idea in what direction to go.

I suspect that part of the reason we are seeing less people logging on and a possible drop in subs is down to people are tired of fighting the same old faces for no end objective. Sure having some fights is all well and good but without any real goal people eventually get tired.

what you said doesn't matter, because eve is dying.

The best argument that the "eve is alive and well" crowd can make is that EVE is stable and has been for a long time. The best argument that the "eve is dying" crowd can make is that it's stagnant and has been for a long time. Those two arguments are essentially the same argument. One thing is for certain: EVE isn't growing and it isn't thriving.

The data we have implies that there are lots of old characters still playing, there is a slow trickle of new players coming in, and most of the people who are going to try EVE already have and the majority did not stay with the game. EVE has found it's base and it's base has found their niche. It works well enough for now, but its not a prescription for long term growth or health.

This isn't a court of law and no we don't have every bit of evidence. However, its irrelevant to the matter at hand. An increasing trend of less players playing the game and decreased income will result in death of the game.

I don't want that to happen, I don't think its going to happen soon, but it needs fixed sooner than later. Ignoring the writing on the wall has been the downfall of many a great entity.