Crime & Punishment

And then the common griefer /exploiter/sand castle kicker will cry when CCP makes the changes.

Confirming. I've never been told not to shoot someone. I have my own list of blues, but I don't expect anyone else in Code to follow it, and I've never been provided a list of people to not shoot. If that were happening Kell, you'd hear about it really fast. I myself would call it out as it would be in violation of the Code, I don't care who it is doing it.

griefers and exploiters usually get banned, because it is against the EULA. So they can't cry on the forums.I don't see how that is related to the topic.

I report bots to CCP, there are also a lot of solo pilots who use bot programs in Highsec. Some of them even auto-dock when someone of CODE. enters the system. If I have the DPS to gank them I go to great lengths to kill them anyway because it is quite interesting what happens if you do that. I encountered some bots who after I killed and podded them undocked the pod again, I doubt it was also upgrading the clone. If I can't gank them (sorry I don't summon a fleet to gank one bot who will be banned anyway) and if they auto-dock I usually just AFK camp them after I am done with playing.

The multiboxing fleets are a different topic. I would say a multiboxer is a more active player than the normal Retriever or Mackinaw pilot. Also ganking is not the only weapon at our hands. I have great success shutting down multiple multiboxer fleets with one single 100MN Stabber.

I would say it's probably the solo Procurer and Skiff pilot who gets the least attention. Since they already made the choice of tank over cargohold (AFK) or yield (greed) they acknowledge that Highsec is a dangerous place and are therefore not really our primary concern.

If griefers got banned, your leader would have been banned well over a year ago.

Let's not split hairs, The New Order is primarily about griefing people for the purpose of creating amusing stories for a certain blogger to blog about. I know many CODE. members who are not like this, but that is the purpose of The New Order as it stands in 2014.

I don't personally have a problem with a small grief or troll; a "gf" in local or a little chat asking about permits is perfectly fine. Using gameplay mechanics to annoy others is also perfectly fine in my books. Unfortunately when this get turned into egging the player on through questionable social conduct for the purpose of publicly humiliating the player on a popular blog page, it becomes unhealthy for the state of the game.

At least some of your members and past supporters are starting to see the light, leave and pull support. Seems the message is getting across. The question is: How long until you see it?

I think you overestimate the amount "unhealthy egging on" that goes on by the New Order to get blog material. Of course some mild in-game trolling takes place - after all the New Order are the major villains (or heroes depending on your view of what kind of game Eve is) of highsec, but from my experience, players featured on the website often humiliate and embarrass themselves with their own reactions to being exploded in a game about exploding spaceships.

Let's summarize what's on the main page of minerbumping.com right now:

1) Kills of the Week - factual and pretty tame with the only tears being in the public bio of a freighter gank victim (no private communications at all)
2) Over Four Hundred Eleven Billion in Shares Sold - just business
3) See You in 315 Station, Part 1 - probably the only one with a significant humiliation factor. The crude and racist material in the embarrassing bio pre-existed the events though (not the New Order's fault), but it is a great example of how mild trolling gets a profane and homophobic reply right away from some people.
4) The Stream of Justice, Part 1&2 - An uplifting story where the gank victim responds positively to the New Order and together he and the agents have fun while exploring other aspects of the game than mining together.
5) Taxing Difficulty - A story about AWOXing a carebear corp. The only humiliating thing about this is the victim's unrepentant attitude towards his exploitation of new players.
6) Once You Go Code - A bizarre story where a player goes off on a self-humiliating rant against the New Order in response to a gank perpetrated by someone unrelated to the New Order. The communication was not initiated by the agent involved at all.

Certainly minerbumping.com shines a light on the bad behaviour of certain players, often bad behaviour in response to losing a pixel space ship to the New Order, but most of the time this comes spontaneously with very little "egging on". James 315 is also good about showing as much of the conversation that he can (that is still compatible with an entertaining post) so you can see for yourself how little it takes for some people to start embarassing themselves with their own bad behaviour. You also don't see the vast majority of gank victims that do not respond at all, or respond in good humour with a 'gf'-equivalent or a good-natured promise of revenge as these don't make the most entertaining minerbumping posts.

I was not trying to spin it. I agree, the minerbumping.com website derives much entertainment value by highlighting how some players humiliate themselves by acting badly in a video game. It is more than that of course - the New Order is a banner for like-minded players to unite behind, players that understand the Eve is a competitive PvP game that can't have any "safe" areas (including highsec). In order for the game to function as designed, there has to be risk - risk for fitting a ship badly, playing badly (or not at all in the case of the botters/AFKers), or just being too greedy (choosing yield over protection) - otherwise everyone would just fit for maximum cargo/yield and AFK the economy into the ground while being bored or watching Netflix the whole time. So naturally we find ourselves in conflict with those that don't have the same "play style" as us, and they are the ones that end up providing us with the most minerbumping.com content.

I am not saying that some people can't take the roleplaying shtick too far and purposely look for an emotional response from their victims, but I am saying the vast majority of the self-humiliating content on minerbumping.com results from not much more than someone having their pixels blown up in a video game and then acting badly to a fellow player.

Instead of debating about CODE. just shoot them. They would not wait a second so why should we? The time for fair play is over. Ally up with Forerunner Protectorate [FOREP] and start ganking gankers today.

Its not against the Code to bot in nullsec which is where the main supporters of James 315 are from.
And I guess you are unaware of all the AFK ratters out there too.

I tend to think that given the nature of the people getting ganked and the relevant game mechanics there is no hope of a successful resistance movement ever arising.