Crime & Punishment

Except for mining in hostile space not being more rewarding than mining in highsec. Veldspar and scordite are the most profitable ores to mine. Regardless of what the tooltips say A B C ores don't make you rich beyond your wildest dreams.





This is untrue as well. You are fulfilling certain aspects of the so called code when behaving as described. However you are not fully compliant with the so called code. Nobody can ever claim to be fully compliant with the so called code as it is one of the more vague documents I ever read. For example it's completely unclear what constitutes "bot aspirant behavior". Every permit may be revoked at any time with the accusation of bot aspirancy. Furthermore the author of the so called code admits the following:

"Since the Code is a living, breathing document, it's not possible to fully enumerate all of the rules. But here are some examples of the rules, to help everyone get a sense of its spirit"
(http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html)

So even if you somehow manage to follow the escessive ruleset called code to the dots they might still "rightfully" blow up your ship as they can claim that you happened to violate a rule they didn't bother to publish.

As has been said by a lot of others don't bother with these so called agents. Be vigilant and fly a tanked ship. Mining AFK and autopiloting will make you a target regardless of the code.

I didn't miss it, I just equated it with the chance I have of surviving being decapitated with a rusty shovel. Ganking people is a pretty good way of making people more risk averse, not making them suddenly skip off into the sunset in search of fun. I believe that you believe what you are doing, it's just not the right way to get the results you claim to want. This is pretty much the way your strategy works.

Whatever you are smoking, cut back.

You kinda are being obtuse. Look, what both of us share in common is our desire to use our understanding of game mechanics to impose our will on New Eden. In your case, you multibox tanked mining fleets to gather resources for your own purposes. We use our understanding of mechanics to explode untanked, AFK and outright botting miners for our entertainment. Your way to play just feeds your obsession to watch your wallet balance grow ever bigger, while ours makes the game more engaging, provides the necessary risk to make the game work as designed, and most importantly, results in an enjoyable, or at least memorable, experience for all involved.

You may disagree with our methods and goals, but thankfully, that doesn't matter because sandbox. The Code has value - it drives conflict, engagement with the game and its mechanics, and is the very essence of emergent game play. The permit also has value - it is a public display that you recognize this and in addition buys some goodwill from your fellow players (who also happen to be the most likely to gank you). So sure OP, the permit is not a legally enforceable document that guarantees you 100% safety, but if you have one and respect the rest of the Code, you will have a much safer, and more fun, experience mining in highsec. If you decide to not to get a permit, but still respect the Code you will have more thrilling time mining in highsec, constantly looking over your shoulder for a possible incoming New Order gank. And finally, if you decide not to respect the Code you will end up exploded eventually with or without a permit. We are good with all these options, hence why the Code always wins.

So OP, please pay little attention to the self-absorbed and overwrought ramblings of the likes of Lucas Kell and La Rynx, and make up your own mind whether a permit is worth it.

Actually, I mainly do it because I know it makes people mega sad. The isk made from it is an insignificant fraction of income.

And no, yours punishes people who are just tying to play the game normally. What you do has no negative impact and in fact some positive impacts for the proper isboxer miners (the guys who do it all the time for actual income) as you are eliminating their competition. Even if you did swoop along and destroy their procurers, they'd be back out and have replaced the loss in an hour, but you don;t try that anyway. The solo guy who's just actively mined and saved and hauled to buy his first hulk, that's who you gank.

I don't disagree with your goals as such (I don't particularly agree with them either), but clearly your methods contradict those. Punishing people who aren't massive isboxer miners isn't exactly the best way of encouraging active mining.

And no, the code clearly doesn't always win, hence the continued increase in the use of isboxer.

AS for this, being the only relevant part to the OP, it's already been pointed out in no uncertain terms that the only way for a permit to be valid is for the player to be ungankable anyway, in which case a permit is irrelevant. Whether or not you like my "ramblings" will not change that very simple fact.

Ah, I see I have been called upon to defend my honor

Elinarien, if you perforn a detailed forensic analysis of the killboard details, you'll see most of those losses are Velators. I tend to enforce the Code solo most of the time, meaning I need to 'pull' Concord in my patrol systems everytime I log in. I will leave it up to you, using your understanding of eve mechanics, to figure out why my killboard shows so many free rookie ships ships are blown up by Concord.

As for last night, well lets just say aliens kidnapped me & made me do silly things. . Stuff happens, but the fun thing about this game is we can always learn how to be better & have 'stuff' happen less often.

I hope that helps clarify. Fly safe. o/

Hmmm, looks a lot better than yours.

10m isk for a permit that just says "I tank my ship"? No thanks. I tank everything anyway, so I don't need to waste the 10 mil. As for responding in chat? Maby if I'm not talking in a private convo.... Honestly though most of the time I ignore agents just to see if they will gank me. They never do.

I know I do. Considering all my and my fleets ships are paid for by shareholders, I make a effort of taking down the most brick tanker miner my current DPS allows. Anything else would be a injustice to the shareholder, after all - they paid for it!

We can't be everywhere at once, granted. But our numbers are growing, and our reach is vast.