EVE General Discussion

So OP is comparing a comparativly isolated instance of EvE, that has been artificially boosted through three iterations for the sole purpose of appeasing one single government on this planet, to the server that everyone else in the world that plays EvE is allowed to play on, and he thinks there's any relevance at all to his arguements?

OP, you are trying to compare apples to humpback whales here.

But, I'm wasting my time here as you won't listen to this. You may continue lighting your hair on fire and running around screming that EvE is dying.

Enjoy.

I know. I just fear.
5 Years ago, I also feared, and the nightmare become true nowadays.
I know TQ is different, but I am not sure whether CCP will make mistakes.

And I have a question, is there lots of bots in TQ?

People will have different opinions. Define "a lot".

OFC there are bots else CCP wouldn't need a security department but no player on Tranq. is in a position to answer that question.

If you have information about bots or RMT or other rule breaking behaviour there are ways to report that.

The Plex aspect of your discussion has legs. Much of your discussion is the wandering effect you and I as well, tend to get caught in when you start jumping through all the hoops EVE has.

The numbers aren't 1:1 And Tranquility is more about the nerf bat. We never had a true bot invasion where everyone was doing it so when do I stop grinding and just buy Plex to game but the Plex influence is there.

Serenity Bots, Tranquility look for the next Incursion content scenario but if Plex get high enough, the content goes to the way side.

Your entire preimise is wrong on MANY levels. In this regaurd you are completely compaired an apple to an orange. They both grow on trees, both are fruit, both tend to be sweet, and both can make juice. But they are different.

TQ and SRN are different. CCP controls and Admins TQ, not so much with SRN, they use a third part that does that. The cultural differences alone between the EvE Players and the SRN players make it VERY hard to compare. Also the fack that yesterday at SRN's peek hit 12k players, is tell you its not really dying.

Bots are always an issue, but the culture makes the proliferation of bots more 'acceptable' on SRN then TQ.

And honestly, anyone who plays eve, and can not afford the $15 a month (10 is you pay for a year in advance) should not be playing eve. PLEX is a privilege and a luxury, not a right. It has nothing to do with amount of people playing. That has more to do with stagnation, burn out and irl factors. I'm still not understanding your point. And I think that has to do with the fact that your comparison, your point, are based off the wrong premise and information. Are there bots in eve? Sure. Is CCP ignoring them? No. Will they tell you if they banned or let a 'bot' go? no. Will they tell you how they find bots? no. All you can do is report them. But honestly, bots are not why plex is rising. As there were MORE bots when plex went live. As a CEO of an alliance, who had no issues picking up players that *might* of been botting, I can't confirm nor deny, whenever I said hi they responded so meh, there are less of them around. As plex prices rise, eventually it will hit a point where players won't pay for it, and you will see a drop for a few weeks of subs that do plex. They will either switch to CC, or take a break. Once that equilibrium happens, plex will sit on the market longer, and the sellers wll start dropping prices till they get snagged, which will then make people come back or switch back to plex, which will then make prices rise again. That's the law of supply and demand. Plex also rises because CCP has it tied to other stuff. Fan fest tickets, alliance tournament, eve vegas ticket, result, duel training, etc. This causes demand to go up. And supply to go down. The only two ways ccp could lower the price is to flood the market with any and all plex's they have (spin them out fo nothing [not a good idea] or use the ones from perma banned accounts, or other means) or split plex and other services so plex is for account time only and other stuff is paid for via AUR which you can not get for plex. Untill then, the prices will keep rising and following as Supply and demand dictate, with or without bots.

actually the standard answer was "fly cheaper ships"

followed closely with "find better ways to make money"

Reading comprehension, not just fancy words used in school.

Statement: "EVE is dying"
Adjudication: FALSE.
Source Material for Deduction of Adjudication:
CCP Games' Financial Condition as of 31 December, 2013
...as of 30 June 2014

Note that although there is a difference between the two statements, CCP is still turning a huge profit. The dumping of the San Francisco office and subsequent folding of assets related to WoD appear to be freeing up more resources and money to further development of EVE and Legion.
A significant amount of money may have been spent in the initial stages of development for Valkyrie and Legion. Regardless of all these changes, EVE is keeping CCP well above water. Active subscriptions are at an all-time high.

This is just another PLEX cost a lot of isk thread.

As mentioned SRNTY is China only, whereas tranquility is the rest of the world. This multiculture gives T acompletly different drive. Despite all ganker propaganda, there are a lot of players, that like retrieving source material and building stuff. others trade only and the loudest groups play PvP.
Some pvpler might despice indus / miners, but they are still one of the important groups. There is fun in earning isk despite being hunted by pvplers.
If in TQ someone somewhat openly use bots, you can count on one thing: they would be hunted down.

Not as many as there used to be.

What in the hell did I just read?

Apparently... EVE is dying because Serenity, the prison in which we keep the Chinese players so their love of botting doesn't infect the rest of the game, has sky high plex prices.

I fail to see the problem. Or am I missing what is supposed to be the point of this?