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When PLEX hits belief - Serenity is dying, next, Tranquility?

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Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-09-05 17:26:11 UTC
Actually yes, EVE is actually a single player game with highly advanced AIs capable of impersonating human beings, especially in snarkiness, shiptoasting techniques, and stupidity.

So yeah, EVE is full of bots. Surprise!
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#22 - 2014-09-05 17:28:09 UTC
Jooo Audeles wrote:
So, what is the truth?


The truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Jooo Audeles
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-09-05 17:33:32 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
I hate using this for the eve is dying metrics, but in this regard it fits.

Your whole premise is wrong

http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=serenity

Based on his info, average player count on serenity is low, but 'all time low' is wrong. As you can see the all time low is about 2.5k players, serenity is averaging double that. With a high of 12k or so in the last 24 hours.

So your ramblings are pretty much that. Turn of the dinsdale tv


If you read my post carefully, your should know, this Serenity is the 3rd one.
The gap you see? The server was closed, and change an operator.
They use free game time(more than half a year) and free SP (more than 2M) to attract players, so the "hill" you see is fake, It has no meaning to compare population between the gap in you really understand "re-born" means.
and also, there are more and more bots in the server. Check the 24-hour data, do you believe half the chinese player will online in mid-night? Serenity is a single time zone server.
The data is also lack important part before 2007. Serenity is open in 2006, and at that time, more than 20K pilots in the server.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2014-09-05 17:35:00 UTC
Jooo Audeles wrote:
The price of PLEX hits almost 800M in Tranquility, and 5.3B in Serenity. They all hit a new high in history.(ps: it seems that active players hit a new bottom in both servers)
It's neither a new high nor a new bottom.

Quote:
Incredible high PLEX price in Serenity lasted for a long time and totally destroyed the server
How is it destroyed, and how is it done by PLEX?
Jooo Audeles
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-09-05 17:39:03 UTC
Absolutely Not Analt wrote:
Jooo Audeles wrote:
So, what is the truth?


The truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.


I know..
Some mood you may hard to understand...
I just don't want to lose EVE again, yes, again.
Jooo Audeles
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-09-05 17:44:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jooo Audeles wrote:
The price of PLEX hits almost 800M in Tranquility, and 5.3B in Serenity. They all hit a new high in history.(ps: it seems that active players hit a new bottom in both servers)
It's neither a new high nor a new bottom.

Quote:
Incredible high PLEX price in Serenity lasted for a long time and totally destroyed the server
How is it destroyed, and how is it done by PLEX?



It's neither a new high nor a new bottom.
For Serenity, it is, because this is the 3rd Serenity server. You can see #23 What I explained.
For Tranquility, the data reaches a new bottom since 2012. Yes, the all time bottom is at 2006, about 13K, but don't you think it is too late if the active players hit this number?
Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-09-05 17:44:42 UTC
Absolutely Not Analt wrote:
Jooo Audeles wrote:
So, what is the truth?


The truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.

Quid veritas est?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#28 - 2014-09-05 17:45:53 UTC
Jooo Audeles wrote:
Will Tranquility fall just like Serenity?
Well, according to what you've written, Serenity died a long time ago and has only been artificially temporarily brought back to life, which makes it a worthless comparison for a game which is, right now at least, still alive and well.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2014-09-05 17:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jooo Audeles wrote:
For Serenity, it is, because this is the 3rd Serenity server.
For TQ it isn't so your entire premise is blown already there. And you didn't even answer the question about PLEX.

…also, what Crumples said.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#30 - 2014-09-05 17:55:30 UTC
Those aren't bots on Serenity. Those are sweatshops.

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Jooo Audeles
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-09-05 17:58:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jooo Audeles wrote:
The price of PLEX hits almost 800M in Tranquility, and 5.3B in Serenity. They all hit a new high in history.(ps: it seems that active players hit a new bottom in both servers)
It's neither a new high nor a new bottom.

Quote:
Incredible high PLEX price in Serenity lasted for a long time and totally destroyed the server
How is it destroyed, and how is it done by PLEX?


Well, the path is very complex, I try to explain it.
Plex is available in 2008 in Serenity, and the initial price is 700M, when the item price is very low, I remember a raven sells for 130M that days.
Bots invade the server almost at the same time, they mining and rating. Most bots use plex to add time, so they can save some money.
About in 2009-2010, the bots' technology raise rapidly, and a normal PC can run 10-20 bots, and nowadays, an Intel I7 based PC can run almost a hundred. And the bots need more and more plex, then the price raise. PVP players find it is benefit, so they become plex sellers, and also newbies. Huge alliances need item, and they can use supers to rating, so bots produce more isk and sell them, that cause the inflation and raise the plex price again.
Finally, normal players find it is hard to buy items but benefit to sell plex, then they join too.
So, the loop.
That is, every one who trade plex, in fact becomes part of the RMT chain. And the PVE and economics are destoried
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#32 - 2014-09-05 18:02:59 UTC
So you think Tranquility will go the Serenity way, as the PLEX prices and player count starts to look somewhat like the Serenity for third time. If CCP would lose the war on bots, than it would look the same obviously.

PLEX is worth the amount of time people would like to spend making ISK, if there is Bot that mines 24/7 than the PLEX is not affordable to the human player. Humans stop logging in, bots are winning more and more. Worth of real world time spend in work is nothing compared to a time spend in game making ISK by human player, so only botters can buy PLEX by making ISK in game in the long run.

At the end only "hardcore PvPers" and bots are there. There is no ISK saving for a plex by mining in a retriever day by day by a dedicated human player. There is Bot dedicated to that work that can do ten times more in less time.
PvPers don't want to shot bots because its like PvE and no drama Involved because they are like rogue drones!!!

So the whole server colapses and at the end PvPers go to World of Tanks or LoL, like your Devs...

CCP please don't lose the war on bots, and for the gods sake, make a CODE of SPANKABOT and EXECUTE.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2014-09-05 18:04:37 UTC
Jooo Audeles wrote:
Well, the path is very complex, I try to explain it.
Plex is available in 2008 in Serenity, and the initial price is 700M, when the item price is very low, I remember a raven sells for 130M that days.
Bots invade the server almost at the same time, they mining and rating. Most bots use plex to add time, so they can save some money.
About in 2009-2010, the bots' technology raise rapidly, and a normal PC can run 10-20 bots, and nowadays, an Intel I7 based PC can run almost a hundred. And the bots need more and more plex, then the price raise. PVP players find it is benefit, so they become plex sellers, and also newbies. Huge alliances need item, and they can use supers to rating, so bots produce more isk and sell them, that cause the inflation and raise the plex price again.
Finally, normal players find it is hard to buy items but benefit to sell plex, then they join too.
So, the loop.
That is, every one who trade plex, in fact becomes part of the RMT chain. And the PVE and economics are destoried

So it wasn't actually PLEX — that's an effect, not a cause — and given the actual causes, there's no reason to think that anything of the kind would even begin to happen on TQ.
Jooo Audeles
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-09-05 18:12:51 UTC
[quote=Bagrat Skalski]So you think Tranquility will go the Serenity way, as the PLEX prices and player count starts to look somewhat like the Serenity for third time. If CCP would lose the war on bots, than it would look the same obviously.

PLEX is worth the amount of time people would like to spend making ISK, if there is Bot that mines 24/7 than the PLEX is not affordable to the human player. Humans stop logging in, bots are winning more and more. Worth of real world time spend in work is nothing compared to a time spend in game making ISK by human player, so only botters can buy PLEX by making ISK in game in the long run.

At the end only "hardcore PvPers" and bots are there. There is no ISK saving for a plex by mining in a retriever day by day by a dedicated human player. There is Bot dedicated to that work that can do ten times more in less time.
PvPers don't want to shot bots because its like PvE and no drama Involved because they are like rogue drones!!!

So the whole server colapses and at the end PvPers go to World of Tanks or LoL, like your Devs...

CCP please don't lose the war on bots, and for the gods sake, make a CODE of SPANKABOT and EXECUTE.[/quote

Yes, that is it. And what is happening in Serenity. More and more players AFK because they couldn't bear it and don't know what to do if there is no war.
Most Chinese fans do play WOT and Warthunder, LOL, and sometimes Fleet commander have to phone them to join a battle from other games. Because they don't know what they can do in EVE except PVP, only a battle can force them log.
Also, I think some game culture is higher than the sandbox, that is PVP players are noble, and PVE players are farmer, low and humble
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-09-05 18:13:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Sometimes when I say, "I'm okay," what I really want is for someone to take me in their embrace and say, "no you're not, here's a PLEX."
Don't worry, that guy was lying, you're totally ok... can I have that plex he just gave you?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-09-05 18:15:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Torneach Structor
Jooo Audeles wrote:
Also, I think some game culture is higher than the sandbox, that is PVP players are noble, and PVE players are farmer, low and humble

This is an interesting point, actually.

Do you think you could expound upon this?

Are you saying that the dominant culture that takes part in Serenity is unwilling to take on "lowly" tasks because it is ignoble?

If that's the case, then it's very hard to draw parallels to Tranquility, since there are more cultural variations to draw from.
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-09-05 18:18:35 UTC
Jooo Audeles wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Jooo Audeles wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
You seem to be basing your entire argument around the proliferation of bots and RMT and yet there is no proof of either one, just the rumor-mongering of a single player and yourself.


So I want to confirm the rumor about Tranquility

This is the chinese operator website show's the banned accounts, all those who are banned for 30,180 days, are bots. Mpre than 50/per day, while only 6K now in this weekend by eve-offline
service.tiancity.com/gb/block/eve#



Your point is what?


Will Tranquility fall just like Serenity? Is the rumor true? I'm not a null player so I can not confirm it, because the poster used to be a null player and officers of many corps, and he is famous among chinese fans. His post is really astonishing although he didn't give any proof...So, what is the truth?



You can't handle the truth!!

P.S always wanted to say that
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#38 - 2014-09-05 18:21:46 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Mind explaining what you are rambling about incoherently with interpretive dancing?


Big Lebowski style.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#39 - 2014-09-05 18:23:36 UTC
The OP is clearly not native to English. While snarking and contradiction on the points of the post could be expected, please go easy on the OP who appears to be making an earnest effort to communicate. Any of my fellow English speakers who have lived in foreign lands where few speak it should be able to understand the need for courtesy here.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jooo Audeles
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-09-05 18:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jooo Audeles
Tippia wrote:
[quote=Jooo Audeles]Well, the path is very complex, I try to explain it.

So it wasn't actually PLEX — that's an effect, not a cause — and given the actual causes, there's no reason to think that anything of the kind would even begin to happen on TQ.


But PLEX is the only legal methods to exchange game time and isk. It is a very important tool to connect bots and players in game, and all legal. If there is no plex, no one can exchange isk and game time legally, and the whole chain have to be underground, and most people may don't want to risk.
And of course, only the price gap between plex and items become too huge will lead to such a crash.
TQ seems safe now but I worry about future. If CCP lose the anti-bot war, Serenity will be TQ's tomorrow.
Many chinese isk-workshop want to expand their business here, USD is more lovely.
And they know how to invade. When the population reduce, they come in, rent a place,accumulate isk, they raise the plex price to produce price gap and hire people advise the advantages to sell plex, in game and on forums, try to change people's mind. If CCP can't control the situation, they will success. That's what they do in Serenity.
When everyone try to sell the plex for isk (and feed the bots), it is over.