Ships & Modules

200+ Views and no posted, guess I'll be the first

im basically saying that AC's arent better than dual 150's. coupled with a Gardes (instead of Ogres), you get better damage projection, and youre still able to field the proper triple rep tank.

I'd still use AC's and ogres.

1) AC's still don't use cap, that is pretty huge to me on a triple repper.
2) Garde tracking isn't enough under 20km sans omni(s) and that is going to cause it to suffer.,
3) ....I'm of two minds about the rails, they are going to have problems in the 12/15km range with a fast target , and the higher native tracking on 425s allows you to at least plink a frigate with an overheated scram.

I didn't try a Myrm on SiSi though, but I still can't see it being fast enough to make rails work between 12-24km, I could be wrong of course.


On the other hand they shrank down cap boosters a bit didn't they?

to prevent you from getting kited to death. the AC Myrm, ironically, is pretty useless against other AC boats, which have a fall-off bonus and tracking enhancers in the lows. it's useless against lasers boats like the Harbie. the rail Myrm has serious damage projection

Gardes do fine even around 10km against cruiser+ targets. Frigates are not a threat, as long as youve got warriors/valkyries. but i would like to fit a medium neut somehow. Ogres can get kited by a fast battleship, and if the target is further than 5km, it takes ages to reach it. ive always found the Ogre to be a useless drone in real pee vee pee.

will let you know how it does.

i fully agree, but thats a whole different discussion.

yeah sure, let me address that.

1. yes, the gardes can be destroyed, but so can ogres. if theyre not shooting at me, all the better. this has always been an issue with drone boats

2. the trick to using gardes in pvp is to burn away from them a little, and forget about them. even at 7km away, they track and hit cruisers and BC's just fine. i have to do more testing, but i think rails with Javelin would do track well up close. people getting all up in your house is generally not the issue in most pvp engagements (based on my experience anyway). the most frequently flown pvp ships like to engage at 10-40km. AC's, heavy pulses, heavy missiles. getting gangbanged by a bunch of blaster boats would be a problem for sure, and if more people start using them, then AC's will definitely be a better choice. but i doubt this will happen. blaster boats are still not fast enough.

3. getting kited is a huge issue with laser, heavy missile and AC boats that are out there. Gallente boats cant do anything about this without rails and sentries. the Myrm generally just sits there until the target decides to commit. it's slow, and it has no range (especially if you use blasters, AC's, and ogres). tackling someone is the least of your concerns...maybe someone in your gang can do it. but this Myrm's job is to absorb is crapton of damage, while projecting 500dps itself.

you cant. i'll try to explain one more time.

- from 30km, at least youre a force that requires some attention. youre no longer useless, and ignored. even with 425mm's at 20km and barrage, the Myrm does **** damage. triple rep AC Myrms can only get kills when the target is stupid and decides to commit without a Curse/Ashimmu/Bhaalgorn nearby. pvp as it is today revolves around NOT committing, i.e. kiting. AC, pulse, and heavy missile platforms can do it.

- have you ever used ogres in pvp? this is the typical situation if youre not on top of the target (most of the time youre not): release drones, hammers and the hob get to your target while the ogres are slowboating, target moves away, ogres are now 10km from you and 10km from the target. if you recall, you waste time. if you let them chase, youre deprived of dps. by now, Gardes would have applied significant dps. using zerkers is an option.

- i put that scram on for ***** and giggles...you can stick on a faction disruptor.

- the Myrm does not get a damage bonus to blasters/AC's; so youre never melting anyone's face, technically. it's more of a "whittling down" effect, while your triple reps keep you alive. myrms are not known for their dps, and dps projection.

hope that helps. if not, just play around with it.

will let you know