Ships & Modules

Disclaimer: I have googled this, have read all the forums. The reason why I'm making a new thread is to bring it to light. So that it's just another addition to when CCP FINALLY decides to google this, themselves, they wil see they are lacking something with in the game for their next major update/expansion.

I am a miner with in EVE Online.

I can kind of get bored sometimes while mining, very understandable. And decided to see what I'd like to train for in the long run on EVE.

I come across the Rorqual. See it has 6 High Slots, and would take me 92 days to train for it. I also see the price of one is worth like 7+ months of subcriptions. It doesn't matter, I want to train for this. I picture it as the next upgrade beyond an Exhumer. And obviously a fairly lengthy wait at 92 days minus modules and such.

I google it to see if it can fit lasers....and no.

To be short and sweet. It wouldnt hurt mineral prices to have one ship....ONE ship that takes above a month to train for that isn't an Exhumer that could Mine.

Simply Put a ship bigger/better than an Exhumer. That say yields 25-40% more per cycles isn't going to kill the game...or the market.

The reason why I already find this hard is because either they've nerfed or created a barge to be almost as equal to an Exhumer in yield as is. So the Exhumer at the moment isnt even worth training for. Especially a Rorqual or an Orca, where the Rorqual again at 92 days of training simply saves a Hauler Vessel a warp back to the POS to compress....

Un-real....

Actually the main purpose of the rorqual is to compress ore, carry mining ships, and have a jump drive to move around quickly.
Also it has a goddamn clone bay meaning you can literally take your entire mining fleet with you, capsuleers included.

The rorqual is a CAPITAL ship, its for SUPPORT of other miners, if you want a big ship to help within belts, get an orca, thats what its for.

Orca = In belt support.
Rorqual = System wide support, compressing, moving fleets, being big, jump drive.



Yes it is, faster mining = cheaper minerals.
Cheaper mineral = Cheaper everything else.

Also, Exhumers are always worth it, just lack at the stats, holy hell.

There is so much wrong with what you said I don't even know where to begin.

Lets start with null having better refining rates than empire and less competition for ice and ore shall we? Then maybe we can move on to capitals not replacing sub caps in their intended roles, not playing eve solo, and how having more than one ship fill the exact same role in the same way is a bad thing.

ahh you are funny. I think I will keep you around for when I need cheering up.

Exhumers are totally worth the tiny amount of time it takes to train them, so far I have not even lost a single one and I mine every single day. The extra tank and yield is just golden and they are pretty cheap to boot as well. And no we do not need a capital mining vessel, CCP just needs to fix the rorqual (and they have stated they will) and all will be golden.

Let's imagine that what you suggest is a need is recognised...
The diminishing returns system has to apply - you can't have something which is the only clear choice for a task, there must always be alternatives. You would therefore need to limit the ship's effectiveness as a pure mining vessel, let's say 5% better than a Hulk. The rest of the benefits of the ship would come in less direct ways, EHP, tank, a jump drive...etc.

Now lets imagine this ship hits Tranquility...
Let's even imagine that, beyond a spike prior to its introduction as people build cap components for it, its introduction has not significant effect on the mineral market...
So you train for it for three months... what then?

You've added a couple of months to the miner's career path, maybe increased it by five percent, what now?

A supercapital version? Another couple of months? another few percent?

A titan version? Regardless of how many layers of ships you add, the career path (in terms of "I am training skills directly related to this proffession") is going to end at some point. What are you going to do then?

The capital mining ship idea (in its many, many incarnations) is the equivalent of increasing the level cap by five without adding anything else - It you don't know what to do with a character by level 50 you probably aren't going to know what to do with it by 55.

Work out what you want to do with the character, long term. In five years time what do you want the character to be doing? Find an answer to that question and the "need" for a capital mining ship will disappear.

Can the rorq even go into hisec? If nul isn't worth it, why is the op so worried about leaving a capital wreck?

I hate your idea.

Here's the thing. Capital ships, by design, do things on a much grander scale than their subcapital brethren. If they didn't crash the hisec ore/mineral market, they probably wouldn't justify the cost of ownership.

On the other hand, capital ships spending hours at a time in a belt would have such a huge target painted on them that maybe none of them would live long enough to have that big of an impact on the market....


Also, what's left for explorers to train for after the CovOps frigates? (Or the SoE ships if you count them as exploration ships) Or dedicated salvagers to train for after the Noctis? Or dedicated gas miners to train for after the Prospect? Not every player profession has a capital-class "end game", and quite frankly not all of them should.

As I pointed out in post #9, the (still unanswered) question becomes...
"What then?"

Let's assume you're currently sitting in your proposed capital mining ship, you've trained the skills, paid your money and...what?
Are you suddenly less bored with mining? Have you suddenly developed a new goal? a new reason to log in? Which skills are you training?


(If you can answer these questions then why aren't you putting them into practise now rather than content-locusting? (This news item contains a Hint).

No, it can't. The OP can't even mine mercoxit and is complaining about mining....doesn't make much sense.