Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Im not sure how JFs are going to get your needed materials if you cant cyno into your region...

That being said, i think this could work if you were to make a POS module beacon which you could cyno to at 2x range, so you could bring your cap fleet in but you would have to make a "beach head" with a sub cap fleet first... That said, I dont think this is a great solution as it makes it extremely difficult to uproot an entrenched defender.

No, normal freighters are not implied. And I have not said that the universe should be completely insular so that no cap can jump to another region. That would not be logical and just lead to more frustration. JF still can jump to your region, it just involves a lot more effort and travel time/cynos to do it. This way, you still have the necessary logistics capacities to import things that you can't produce on your own, but it discourages the use of these tools to import every tiny little bit of equipment into your home.

Freighters absolutely don't work in EVE in Low sec and 00 sec. That's never going to change and thus they should never be considered as a tool of transportation into these areas.

CCP gets more money.

So nothing changes.

See this is the problem, you cant nerf power projection and trying to will not fix any of the problems with null sov.

wh's said hi....only caps in system are the one's you build there. Like this idea...now you know where to go and get it right now. Well wait a bit, DT is soon based on my clock.


All you'd be removing is hole collapse mechanics. But you'd have it a major pita to get there conventional. I know, blah blah titan drops. I have been in space poor alliances. Nightly outtings 25 jumps 1 way in bs are not fun. the ride back even less fun. You pissed in someone's cornflakes...they opted to not jump you on the pos when a lost cause. They opt for payback on your exiting of the area. Sometimes....they make your leaving really really fun.

Long story short...this would be more stagnant than current 0.0. Hard to get to, caps on gate camps and you have no backdoor option to sneak in behind them. Wh's at least give the option to maybe lay low and sneak around abit if no one scans you. While I know the afk cloaky threat is the greatest threat to all of eve kind....afk cloaky but not scaring anyone since no hot drops possible is not going to reclaim that space.




edit: well that and you can get this in 0.0 too now. cyno jam all your systems. While they don't stop blop operations...it be really cool to see ninjya warfare reach new levels as we'll say PL or goons covert cyno's in blops,bombers and recons to blot out the sun. That be a hot drop I would love to see actually.

This will always be the issue. crew like yours would just get titan chains as close as possible and walk it from there.

That and if these new pockets are real nice isk making wise...the harder to get isolation just make them higher target sites really.
Why fortress delve has been fought over alot beyond the whole goons/bob/then it/then it kicked out again thing and on to new wners. Take away that caod meta crap (I do...do I get a mix of gf's and isk making, well then sign me up and I let other get sucked into the spaceship soap opera lol)....I found it to be some damn good isk making space really. Lived in crappier places for sure.

True, but also not necessarily the way it would happen, because it depends on how the expansion is laid out. What I had in mind was sort of a star-like explosion.The center (High and Low sec) only experience no to moderate growth in distance, whereas the outer regions (deep Low sec to 00 sec) experience sort of exponentially growth in distance into all directions. This would mean that there are corridors on which caps (also JF) can travel (inside the arms of the stars), but it would also result in vast areas with no star system to jump to in between the arms as well as ever greater distances between stars the farther out you go.
Naturally, there are areas closer to each other at the base of the arms, which means that these areas are still easy targets for hot drops as well as for moderately costly capital movements. Hence, living there would still be an "adventurous" endeavor. Mostly, these ares would probably result in unclaimed wastelands, a sort of buffer zone with only a select few city states who oppose the threats. These areas would also function as base for assaults on deep 00 sec claimed space and therefore need to be monitored by the people who claim areas beyond this area - which requires coordination. Too much coordination and several arms join up to form the current blue ring of excitement and joy? Probably yes after some time. Can this be prevented at all? I don't think so; however, if all minerals are spread more equally the need for the already dead wars for resources would vanish completely or their need reduced. Wars could be fully for political reasons, eg. to keep an arm of the cluster claimless or an area close to yours claimless in order to make your homes safer, or simply because of the "It's yours, I want it!" mentality.
This would also result in corridors for JF movement, for instance, with several choke points where Elite PVPer can camp stations, and people who want to move things around in JF or other capitals need to coordinate their efforts in order to protect the cynos and caps in these choke point systems.

The star like explosion of the cluster could be explained with a gravitational disturbance, which weakened the gravitational binding forces in the cluster and as a result, the systems further away from the center were flung out farther.

A completely insular universe where every 00 sec region is outside the jump range of another? I am not completely against that, but I am also not convinced that it would be a good solution. It's just too extreme. I am also not opposed to the cyno ideas; as said such a further system spread cannot solve the problems by itself, there need to be changes in many/all areas of the game and the player attitudes.

This would make it even easier to hold our space.

That is always a problem, but in a insular universe, which others have suggested (or at least how I understood their idea), is even worse in that regard. Hotdrop proof is not exactly true. There is still WH and gates, you can still bring BLOPS and Bombers/Stratios deep into enemy territory via these. And they work great to get things done and are "easier" to extract than a titan dropped fleet (unless you are CFC and just drop a Titan in a system and bridge the fleet out - which is in both an insular and my far stretched outer reaches harder to accomplish).

Disruption already exists, but as you stated, it also makes it a lot easier for the bigger entities to disrupt smaller entities than the other way around. Take the Siphons for example. They are nice deployables, but it just needs 1 person in a ceptor and a couple of guns on the tower to kill dozens of them throughout large areas of space. Or ESS's, you can just place them in a devilish hard anomaly and no one can take things from you, or you have your biggish fleet go around and rob/kill them from smaller entities.