EVE General Discussion

Nice analogy. Sadly it's also completely wrong. Why? Because CCP changed its release cycle, but development itself works still mostly the same. The only difference is, if a new thing is done, CCP has to wait a few weeks at most before they can release it. In the old cycle, they would have to wait for the next cycle for months.

Also its wrong because you only got a car back when you first installed Eve. Since then you just got upgradekits to change it around a bit. Now the upgradekits come faster and if something goes wrong, the next kit repairing the damage comes in 6 weeks, not 6 months.

The upgradekits of course aren't wrong or broken, or your game would have stopped working. Last time I started Eve, it worked fine. So no trouble there, either

And if you honestly think your Emails aren't read just because not every asinine request gets a response, you're deluded.

You are right on the money there.

Also, it is not like CCP have ever been consistant. It is more like "it MIGHT" be fixed in 6-12 months, but more likely forgotten about while they work on the next thing that no one asked for.

This WH whining is all nonsense.

1) This is not OUR game, it is CCP's game. They are far more understanding and cooperative than devs of pretty much any other game, but in the end they have a vision for how Eve is supposed to be and while they can ask for our input and advice, there is absolutely zero real reason why they should listen to our every whiney opinion.

2) The hubbub about WH changes is almost exclusively the spawn distance change. While this is strategically very significant, it is also in line with CCP's stated desire for wormholes. While they never said people shouldn't live in wormholes, it is clear from their statements that CCP didn't want living in wormholes to end up being easy, and ragerolling and the current state of WH control make it essentially null without local in some respects. The WH change might be annoying because it makes a bunch of strategies which WH'ers developed over time obsolete, the community is certainly going to bounce back from this, and develop even more broken strategies.

3) Are you WH'ers going to quit eve? If yes, go do it already and stop whining in the forums. If no, shut up already the whining is annoying.

WAT?!

Only issue, you are wrong.

There is still time for feedback, stuff is on sisi first for a while.

Sure, maybe the occasional bug might not be fixed with the next patch in 6 weeks but it will in the 12 week one.

Still beats the old system...


Now when something is "finished" it can be released, instead of having to shelf it till summer/winter expansion only to find out it conflicts with those other 4 things you shelved for that expansion.

Exactly this.

I understand your point but it's not exactly an issue that solves the problem, which I agree with the OP about.

For instance, I try to be very active and involved in anything that happens with the Rorqual. They have said that they couldn't quite make it in for Kronos and have listed some goals that they had for the ship, such as making it work as an on grid mining booster. For a while a number of threads popped up and Rorq discussion was lively. Feedback was incredibly diverse and ranged from mild adjustments to a half dozen incredibly radical and extensive redesign concepts. Then Crius came and went. Then Hyperion came and went. Nothing about the Rorqual.

So according to your point the Rorqual is a big project and could take a few releases. However, if it is a project. There should be a sticky thread on it. If a path is chosen for the type of redesign, something should be announced and players should be able to comment. If they are still fishing around for what to do the CSM should be engaging the player base to figure out what we want and giving us ideas about what they and CCP can technically do and what they think will be workable and good for the game. If they commit to a concept and start programming, stuff should appear on the test server. Basically, if the Rorqual is a big project there should be some evidence that it is being worked on. As it stands, for all I know, they had a quick idea they were going to put out during Kronos or Crius and after thought and feedback said 'this has turned into a mess so let's shelve it and not think about it anymore.' Then it comes out 6 months later as a big project that took a while but in reality they threw something together at the last moment, surprised us with it, and made us mad and/or gave us something that accomplished nothing.

Sure the ten release cycle means that things will be released ad hoc when they are finished. But we have no idea what CCP is doing. They are still developing things in a 2-release style and just throwing surprises at us every 6-weeks. If you change the release schedule you have to change the development process and cycle as well.

The OP is on to something. This is not to dis on CCP. But if you want to develop things the players actually like and want as well as are workable and good for the game (and I realize these two goals are not always congruous) there needs to be more transparency.

So its like jumping though a gate and then burning back?

So pushing poor mediocre content every 6+ months is not ok...but every few weeks is ok?.....why not push out good content all the time?

I think the OP has some traction. Player testing is extreamly limited nowa days. Player may post concerns but with the current production rates they'll have to fixx it latter....much latter and if players are not being listend to then....well what is the CSM doing? The changes to although im not a Wormholer, I don't think the changes where odd for people living in them.

If you're jumping a capital blind into a wh system you deserve to lose it. Wormhole jump distance is nothing related to cynos.