Wormholes

Check the fanfest isk faucet graphs. Incursions account for a mere fraction of all isk generated in the game, because they are a limited resource. Based on averages 70 pilots at a time can make 100 Mil/Hr.
That is literally the entirety of Incursions income across EVE at one time. Hyperion will not have significantly changed that.
And since nearly all of Incursion income is isk, and not other items that sell on the market, the actual earning power of incursions is vastly lower relative to other activities than the isk graph indicates.

Wonder what kind of out cry it would become if CCP said incursion is ending in high sec.... (they could always go back to do level 4 missions right?)

You saying there is no waiting time and such in wspace? If you are real unlucky and get hit hard by random, your home sys can be without anything to do in days at a time, and you left with exploring your static for something do do. And when you running sites you have always the risk of someone dial into you. Imagine, doing incursion and the sites was "concorde neutral" and anyone that wanted could interfer?

as for addressing anything wspace related, it seems like CCP put the wh community on a "ignore" mode.They turned into the WESAYSO company that know the sandbox best without actualy playing in it. But that is their choice and if that pays out in the long run, well, they got the numbers and metrics...

Please bring back the Dusette girls, why must I troll all the stupid people in multiple whiney entitlement threads without them

I am pasting this from another topic. I rarily post and this might be bad form but I think it applys to this conversation as well.

Ok , this might be long and rambling ... and horably misspeled.

All of this is based of antidotale evendence. Just my experiance. To that note. I have played this game for a long time. With realtivly few breaks. All but a very little of that time have been in WHs. I joined some friends in a C5 at month 3 I think (biring a drake you will be fine they said). THe few breaks I have taken I would come back to the game run mabye 5 missions and look for a good WH group to join.

K space confuses me.

This is not about ISK or whatever. The only time I PvE is when others in my corp need me to fill a roll. Although my activity has tappered off over the last couple months due to new job and RL stuff what I "Do" in eve is scann and look for things to shoot. I love the submarine warfare that is WH PvE. I love useing the tools we are given to covertly find people doing things and then try to blow them up. I love being skilled enough at them so that when I HAVE to pull out my combats I can get people and tackle them before they notice and warp off. I love the mind games that are the common WH tacticks now adays to get fights. To bait ... to take the trap hopeing to out trap there trap. Sometimes winning sometimes loseing but allways being excited.

I still get a little thrill each time I jump a new WH ... is Team Pizza (they will know why I mention them) waiting for me on the other side?

What I love the most is what kind of community that this type of enviroment has built up that is unique to eve ... i think. Where I can blow someone up in a not trivial ISK worth of ship and the very next day be called on to help that same person and corp in a op. Where there are very few if any blues, where is fact it is FUNNER to shoot and kill the people you like, but as long as you are not a complet and total asshat WHs come out of the woodwork to help... mostly to shoot other WH's but with other types of help as well. Where it is not uncommon when a "puppy" finds his way into WH space during his scanning tutorial he promptly gets blown up ... but then instantly gets given many times what his ship was worth and advice about the game.

Ok, I like WH space. What the hell does that have to do with this topic ?

There are less and less things to do here. I do not scann as much as I used to but my corp still does. We find lots and LOTS of WH ... but nobody lives there anymore ... or if they do they do what I seem to do more and more. AFK in my pos whatching indi timers run whille playing solitare. I kidd you not I found myself doing just that for the first time today. Our chains in the mapper allready had something like 40 connections on it. People where out looking no point really for me to go out. I was having fun chatting with people in the many MANY channels I live in and shooting the **** in TS. THere was very little of any activity found.

The many chat channels .... filled with simular stories and with people seeing towers being taken down ... or takeing down there own.

I love this game... at least what I know of it. I acually just bought a FW toon to give that PvP a try sense what I was used to never happens anymore. At some point I am going to have to decide not to pay for a chat channel interface and find something else to play besides solitare.

I do not have a magic HEY DO THIS fix. I do not even know for sure that the recent changes have made things worse. It could be just longer and worse summer time blues then what we are used too. In fact i am the guy saying over and over they just happened give it some time. All i do know is that there is less "FUN" for me to find. It might say something about that fun involving me blowing up things or getting blowen up in shinny stuff (damn you Team Pizza) but there it is.

I truly hope that CCPs promise of whatching the metrics closly are true. That if all of this precived loss of WH activity is acually hapening that they address it soon. Not take months to do something but weeks to see it is happening and then instantly openeing up to the community to try to brianstorm some fixes. GIven the uniqueness of WH space once the exodus acully hits it will be hard to stop and it will just feed of itself until most of us are gone.

This was exactly my prediction before the patch -- except I (and others) thought it would be bad for PVP corps of all sizes too, as it would reduce the content available to them (fewer targets.) It isn't just hurting small/new corps; it hurts everyone except big, high-class farmers.


You know what I would like to see? Current versions of those class-by-class W-space activity graphs. You know, the ones CCP used to justify the changes they made. The ones that many posters pointed to and said, CCP don't understand the reason behind low C4 activity is bad effort/reward ratio, not lack of connectivity.


Anyone can go join a big incursion fleet (example: #The Valhalla Project) and make more than 100M/hr. I never go to incursions unless I plan to play for several hours. I have never averaged under 150M/hr in the TVP fleet. My best was 190M/hr. My main char is 4 months old, so when they want someone like me in fleet, it's because they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for DPS or the FC is in a newbro kind of mood. Oh, my figures are raw cash pay-outs, not including the money you can make with your Concord LP.

12-36 hours to be more exact. It used to be 24-48 hours. So it only got shaved a little. But yes, even on my experience I agree that WH site spawns could use a much better spawn rate.

Bob never knew what hit him, and now is suffering from a major identity crisis.

come one CCP, free Bob!


anyways the lack of any kind of proper reply still says here is your bone now just sit in the corner and gnaw on it..

i guess Corbexx you are our only hope... :P

Alright dude, if you want even the slightest bit of credibility in the wormholes sub-forum, there can be no mention of "difficulties and risk" and "incursions" in the same sentence. That is just so much bowlsheeit to people who run sites in wormholes.

I like the new Hyperion changes.

Its annoying that my scanning proteus cant fit into frigate holes, but overall the changes are positive IMHO.