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CCP - Falcons - Still massively overpowered!
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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-11-23 17:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?

All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!

I mean the accuracy falloff is 49 km, so being 80+km away is near the top end of that, how the hell can you still be perma jamming?
The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working!
Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf!
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Tactical Farmers
#2 - 2011-11-23 17:56:34 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?

All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!

Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf!


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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#3 - 2011-11-23 17:57:55 UTC
Chance based mechanics that basically give a chance of 100% unless people in the opposing fleet have 2+ module slots taken up (PER SHIP) for a counter measure, or a specific implant set, while all other EWAR options are pointless when they do much less than ECM offers.

Moderately useless in large scale fleets but no more so than any other EWAR. In smaller scale it is not so much a force multiplier as a force nullifier. Smaller gang / solo versus an ECM fleet? Say goodbye to your ships and try again...

Cant see anything wrong with that myself.

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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2011-11-23 18:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Lady Spank wrote:
Chance based mechanics that basically give a chance of 100% unless people in the opposing fleet have 2+ module slots taken up (PER SHIP) for a counter measure, or a specific implant set, while all other EWAR options are pointless when they do much less than ECM offers.

Moderately useless in large scale fleets but no more so than any other EWAR. In smaller scale it is not so much a force multiplier as a force nullifier. Smaller gang / solo versus an ECM fleet? Say goodbye to your ships and try again...

Cant see anything wrong with that myself.


look NO ONE EVER EVER EVER EVER fits hardly 1 ECCM nevermind 2 EVER!!
A jam that perma jams with a t1 mod at almost its optimal + fall off range - there is something seriously wrong!
The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working!

the reason it got nerfed was because peeople where jamming at long range! obviously this didnt work, and sorry but a ship should not be able to perma jam! even if its specialised.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#5 - 2011-11-23 18:04:31 UTC
At least falcons cost a fair amount. Blackbirds are the most overpowered subcap ship in the game.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Tactical Farmers
#6 - 2011-11-23 18:06:33 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:


the reason it got nerfed was because peeople where jamming at long range! obviously this didnt work, and sorry but a ship should not be able to perma jam! even if its specialised.


Oh, speaking of specialized. Look at the Blackbird.

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Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2011-11-23 18:06:38 UTC
I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM.
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Percival Gates
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-23 18:06:47 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Why did these every bother getting nerfed...

My head hurts. What?

Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2011-11-23 18:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM.


you must be the only person that does then Smile
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2011-11-23 18:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Percival Gates wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
Why did these every bother getting nerfed...

My head hurts. What?

Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!


obvious troll stating the obvious Roll
KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-23 18:09:33 UTC
This is a terrible thread. Falcons are not overpowered, and you're an idiot.

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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-11-23 18:10:10 UTC
KFenn wrote:
This is a terrible thread. Falcons are not overpowered, and you're an idiot.


Please explain how they are not...
KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-23 18:14:35 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
KFenn wrote:
This is a terrible thread. Falcons are not overpowered, and you're an idiot.


Please explain how they are not...

Please explain how they are with actual facts, and not just conjecture.

Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-11-23 18:24:41 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM.


you must be the only person that does then Smile



According to Eve Central, there have been over 2500 T2 ECCM modules sold in the last 24 hours. Take that data for what it's worth, but I dare say that there are people that use it. And more than just a couple.

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Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#15 - 2011-11-23 18:52:05 UTC
Boost falcons. Nerf whiners.

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Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-23 18:52:40 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?

All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!

I mean the accuracy falloff is 49 km, so being 80+km away is near the top end of that, how the hell can you still be perma jamming?
The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working!
Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf!


Not only do you not have a clue about ECM, you also appear to lack any knowledge of gunnery combat and falloff.
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-11-23 18:54:43 UTC
Percival Gates wrote:
Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!


I threw that reference out once and it never gets the bite it deserves. Damn kids are too young for the reference
Sobic
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#18 - 2011-11-23 18:56:42 UTC
Yet ECM ships die by the truck load every week...
Sobic
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#19 - 2011-11-23 18:59:14 UTC
On a serious note: If you could assign drone targets even when jammed. It would balance out ECM even further.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#20 - 2011-11-23 19:03:40 UTC
Sobic wrote:
Yet ECM ships die by the truck load every week...

...because there are truck loads of them to be killed.

I don't even remember the last time I saw a celestis or bellicose used in combat. : /

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