Player Features and Ideas Discussion

don't make it minm can't doc in amarr systems make it so minm can't doc in amarr/cal stations in amarr/cal space but can still doc in minm/gal stations

Home field advantage doesn't mean anything when the opposing militia can have a full stock of ships in station to undock with.

I understand that station games are a larger issue, but they become more glaring when the trade hubs have regular opfor who live there.

I would also say that if it is not supposed to be unreasonably hard to launch attacks in high sec, it should be at least somewhat difficult. Right now it is far too easy for someone to pod surf to a trade hub and then engage in station games in 1.0 systems. It is ridiculous in so many ways.

So instead of having pilots in the war zone, each militia should have standing fleets to protect their trade hubs and 0.5 systems?

Why have facpo at that point?

Actually, that might be a better solution. Eliminate docking rights, and then get rid of facpo. That way players defend their trade hubs from the enemy, and more PvP is always a good thing, especially in FW. Then you would know that someone who rolls into enemy high sec is serious about bringing the war to their enemy, rather than a scrub abusing bad mechanics.

Hyperbolic aren't we Joshua?
I rarely see any militia wage concentrated battles in enemy high-sec. It is usually just one or three guys... and you can easily avoid and/or discourage and/or fight them if you know what you are doing. There is no need for a standing fleet.

Think of it as a regular war dec! Except the NPCs will help you! Same rules and tactics apply.


To be honest though... I would be more in favor of getting rid of ALL low-sec lockout mechanics. I find it to be a rather dumb mechanic that discourages people from spreading out across the warzone.

And not having any NPC navy in high-sec would mean that most FW fighting would just leave low-sec.

Uh, no he's not. He's suggesting that the exact same mechanic that is applied in low sec be extended to high sec. In low sec you can't dock in the opposing factions territory. Yet in High Sec you can....
This is a huge inconsistency and they are wanting it addressed.

I don't see any militia wage battles in high sec either. But I do know of a few folks in your militia who practically live in Amarr, which is completely absurd. It is the equivalent of the U.S. letting ISIS rent a suite at the Marriot in DC and only trying to arrest them when they come out the front door, then completely forgetting where they are as soon as they walk back inside.

To your point about removing the lockout mechanics, I don't agree. If there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to fight for. The only way Minmatar put up a fight is when they are facing losing a mission hub. If they knew that wasn't the case, it would be impossible to get them to stick around for a fight.

You might be right about removing the facpo causing your side to move full time into high sec. Lord knows you guys don't really like doing anything other than PvE.

And yet people who suicide gank, have lower than -5.0 security status, have terrible faction standings, war dec entire constellations worth of corps/alliances and are NOT part of Faction Warfare are all allowed to dock in any NPC station in the game.

Only Faction Warfare is the "special child" with regards to this... and only in low-sec.

This is one of those times where gameplay trumps realism.

Another good example of this; the current in-game insurance system. Realistically, anyone who does PvP should be denied insurance... however insurance is designed to facilitate PvP.

So do not use the consistency argument. Half the mechanics in the game are not "consistent" for purely gameplay value.


If there is nothing to lose, people can fight just for the sake of fighting... and chestbeating rights. As was the case before the FW revamp.

In fact... I remember MORE and BETTER fights before the revamp because people could actually spread out across the warzone instead of just holing up in "bunker systems" (I point to both sides for doing this).

Also... for the record... we Minnies do not care about the low-sec mission hub. We have another one over in Abudban (high-sec). No one ever camps that station either (not for long anyways).


Honestly now... we hate the PvE part of FW just as much as the next guy. We would just be stupid not to take advantage of the system to make money.


Truth be told... I've actually gotten burned out having to run complexes to take and defend a system. More and more often I (and more than a few others) find myself having to give up perfectly good kills and target hunting because maintaining the system that everyone else lives in is more important.
Lockout and structure bashing mechanics just aren't fun. Yeah, yeah... consequences... I know... but do we really want FW to turn into something like 0.0 with its rulesets and gameplay... especially when more than a few 0.0 vets are complaining about how stagnant and entrenched people are because of the very mechanics that they (and now we) keep asking for?

I could actually imagine a more interesting game if NO LOCKOUT MECHANICS existed. At all. Anywhere. The only way to stop people from staying in your area of space is to actually kill them. Over and over again.

EVE isn't perfect, CCP hasn't said this is where the game will stay. So then there is no reason to not pursue more realism, when there are infinite possibility that can still incorporate fun game mechanics as well.

Not at the cost of overall gameplay value though.

I am not involved in this but here is a few crazy thoughts.

Protecting your game customers.

Eliminate the ability of one faction to dock and you destroy a part of the market in that area. How do you justify this to the industrial characters that manufacture, transport and sell their goods in that area of space?
See every action that CCP takes affects the game as a whole and not just one small part of it. While eliminating the ability to dock in enemy territory makes sense from your perspective it may not when considering the greater whole of the game. Since the market in low sec are so small this is not as much of a problem allowing CCP significantly more frreedom to do what is right for the smaller parts of the game.

Another thought, you are 15 or 20 jumps away from your factions home space and you need to refit, or replace a ship. How many times would you be willing to make a 30 to 40 jump round trip to do this?

If they did make this change have you thought about this part of it.
How would you bring the materials to the war zone since carriers are not allowed in high sec.
Would you bring it in fleets of industrial ships that are vulnerable to attack not only from your enemies but also buy the gank squads that roam high sec. Oh and remember in high sec you cannot fight to protect a ship from the gankers, only from an attack by your enemy.

So now you have your combat fleet and all your ammo, modules and spare ships into your enemies territory where do you store it, how do you keep it safe from attack 23 hours a day?
Even if you did how would you refit when you have no place to dock?
Yes you could use a mobile depot or possibly even an Orca but then that is even more assets you have to bring with you and even more chances for your enemy.

I also wonder if you have ever tried to work out the logistics of moving this volume of materials and ships around in EVE?
And I find myself wondering how many of you would continue with this aspect of the game when you had to spend most of it dealing with the logistics of your supply chain?