Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Funny you ask me this.

Answer is:

I am here for eight years. Seven years ago they added those two attributes for ? reasons? BOB said so? And the Band of Developers agreed?

Reason unknown to this day.

Proove unnecessary!


And yes, you should have been here and tried one of the Gurista Mazes, where you will be shot at with zero 'tracking' citadel torpedos.

Why do you think that no NPC in EVE has missiles that haz no 'tracking'? Where do you think that comes from?


And Harvey,

you mean that tiny 'tracking' adjustment so those could hit something that wasn't a moon and that 1% damage addition to rockets??

The issue is missile meta is harder to push because of this. Some want their primary weapons system they put time into to be you know....more useful.

Missile stats being looked are what make them less loved outside of pve or some niche pvp.


Its not like there is a precedence here. Drone doctrine says hi, thank for fixing most of the things broken with us to have drone boats (beyond carriers) to be loved again. Some balance issues remain granted....but they no longer a secondary weapon system brought for coloring to the drink as it were.

Before drones it was hybrid rebalance. You see the learn other weapons arguments was used before here to. And showed to be lacking. I still have projectile and laser rokh fits in some data files somewhere. Before rebalance....they were legit outside of official ops where it was force fed "fleet fit" rules in place. Trade in my range bonus of the weapon spec'd for the ship, get other bene's for it (cap less projectiles or better damage type selection with lasers). Not sure if you have been here before....it tends to create a sense of man this is just a bit messed up.

Also worth noting the target that don't die in arty strikes can weather missiles as well. the speed they have to fake out tracking of arty also reduces missile damage. Can also throw in firewalls. And factor in missile speed and delayed hit...the damage that actually reaches them has varying chances to repped up.

I recall a match Saturday before break where the commentators were wondering why a NH was not being killed outright. It was iirc the only real souce of dps (paper anyway) left on the field for the other team. HML fit too, so ranged dps to boot. then they guessed it was because its damage was easily locally repped so the the winning team opted fo pop frigs and such instead and leave the NH for last on the clean up list. If you watched the damage bars....good assumption. Nothing on the other side was having damage bars get hit bad.

Pretty sad sign when link + long ranged dps has you last on the list still. then we look at say sieiprnir comps....usually you want the sleipnirs dead ASAP.

Worth noting logi on both sides dead at this point....whatever the NH was hitting was not going omfg, help help I am dying and local reps not holding.

While your assessment is not wrong, I think you are missing what he was trying to point out. I assume he was drawing attention to the fact that the damage dealt by the Nighthawk wasn't sufficient to even make a local tank sweat, which seems lacking when considering that the damage was coming from a T2 platform. A HML Nighthawk shouldn't be sweeping the field alone, but neither should it be such a non-threat that the opposing team feels secure in taking their time clearing the support frigates until they decide to take out the Nighthawk at their leisure.
The issue of Caldari platforms having bonuses to what you call "the most easily easily-resisted damage type" is a separate, albeit related, issue that I hope will be looked at in the near-future.
*Just my impression of someone else's post, not putting words in their mouth

That is because heavy missiles are hilariously bad. They are out damaged at most useful ranges by just about everything.

Hell a mwd shield tanked cruiser doesn't even take full damage and it's not like the damage is stellar to begin with.

I did some comparisons between rails and HML and the rails utterly dunk them - at MAX transversal!

... they can't apply damage to a target sitting 0m away going 0ms even without E-war

and why not add an E-war mod to counter the proposed mod

lol they can be speed tanked by a ship holding still

Because I can't hit a cruiser with a 1157m signature with a heavy missile (exp radius 105m) unless it is going under 700 m/s for full damage?

And if that same cruiser moves at it's max speed (2117) I'm down to 31.8% applied damage.


Cruiser weapon. Shooting a MWD shield tanked cruiser. <32% damage applied. Does that seem reasonable?


Tbh, we don't need mods - we need heavy missiles un-fubared.



And if anyone suggests web/painters I'll once again point out that these ALSO boost turret and drone systems and as such are not a great "equalizer" for missiles.



Edit: Shooting the same cruiser (caracal) with a 60% web applied and it's MWD off, the missile still only manages 74.5% damage.

light missiles got a 10% damage increase .. thus why they are so popular combined with their ability too apply damage..
when they nerfed heavies and changed the GMP skill too apply too all missiles .. they increased the damage of HAMS, torps and rockets .. and the GMP skill boosted the tracking of most of them ..

First, if you make a positive claim about something being bad and to be removed, the burdon of proof is on you, always.

And the statement, 'well I was a moron then, I am a moron now, therefore I am right' doesn't really pull any weight either. Just because you are here now and you were 'there' 'then' has no impact no the validity of the truth in any way and does not correlate to anything good or bad in either case. Data - data - data, combined with logic and reason.

It is very simple, if explosion velocity and explosaion radius would get removed, it would make missiles so overpowered, other weapon system could not compete with it, which is even the minor issue here°°. It would make them counter-less (and don't play dump, you know what is meant).

The problem you have is not with either of the stats, it is with balancing them.

And for someone who claims to know, you understand very little. You also seem to think that being intelligent is the same as having knowledge, which is not the case either.

Just make a mod that reduce flight time but grant better application OR more missile speed. Hell make it similar to a TC if you want with different scripts or 2 entirely different mod so a trade off has to be made at the fitting screen.

Seeker optimiser
(insert fitting cost here)
Missile explosion radius +10%
Missile explosion velocity +10%
Missile flight time -15%

Rocket engine overfeeding system <---- this name is sooooo bad
(insert fitting cost here)
Missile flight speed +10%
Missile flight time -15%