Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently we can view velocity on our overview. Velocity is affected by someone’s fit and any webs applied to the target. So why isn’t signature radius a column option on the overview as well? Signature radius provides as much intel as velocity does on the overview, it would help fleet work by allowing you to see when a fleet mate is target painting something, and it would give people a visual change when they use target painters, just like their webs.

Signature radius provides as much intelligence on someone’s fit as does their velocity. From their velocity you can determine if they have armor rigs on, have a prop mod turned on, and when that prop mod is turned on, it allows you to see if they have plates on. This level of detail cannot be achieved against a shield tanked ship just from the overview. Velocity also allows you to see if they are receiving skirmish boosts, which would also be seen from the signature radius.

This would help improve small gang warfare because it allows you to see when your fleet member has applied a target painter to the target, just like how velocity allows you to see when a fleet member has applied a web to the target. From a logistics point of view, it would allow you to see who is being primaried by target painters, much like you can view when someone is being primaried by webs. It would also help FCs direct their target painters when someone is painting the wrong target.

It would also give a visual queue (Not just the in game graphic) for when a target painter is applied to the target. A lot of focus gets placed on webs, partially because you can physically see the ship slow down on your overview, which directly reduces their transversal velocity. By adding signature radius to the overview, it gives the players a visual indication that their module is aiding on the other side of the tracking equation.

Overall the overview gives the player a lot of intelligence on how a fight is developing and gives a lot of intelligence to both sides. However the overview has an intelligence hole for signature radius which should be addressed by adding it as a column option.

Size is not the signature radius, it's the size of the model that is used in relation to bumping.

Sorry, meant to write size ~= sig res, true they aren't the same, but, in practice, larger size usually denotes larger sig. Wasn't saying it was THE solution, but it is there.

I just had a friend undock in his cynabal. Size 300+, actual sig radius was 130ish.

I guess we should show people's resist profiles on the overview as well then?

Size is the approximate physical size of said ship or object, not electronic size. I'm not even sure it changes for T3s when they use differing subs (i.e., most subs change the size of the ship by a lot). I almost feel like the ship icon kind of renders the size column a little redundant.

Rather than simply add sig size to overview which, as others have pointed out is already cluttered with selectable data, I'd suggest that the current size column be changed to indicate at least an estimated signature size, possibly allowing it to adjust to reflect TP/Microwarp/Microjump etc. effects. Of course, that last part can be ignored if having a constantly changing sig size column would strain the overview or add too much server load.

Then again how much could it really add since numerous other columns already constantly change such as range, velocity, and angular?

Couple things I want to say in support:

1. Sig radius is a stat that makes tons of sense to put on the overview as well, as how big the signature is should be pretty obvious if you are close enough to see it.
2. Directly effects the damage of missiles, and indirectly of guns
3. It is the (%wise) most variable stat on ships after speed.
4. It strongly effects what you shoot in several situations in PVP (damp + ECM combos, where they break some locks and then damp your scan res)
5. Seriously, it is the size of the signature to your sensors, why isn't it an option to view?

Also, l2p transversal-fans. Angular velocity is the stat that actually matters.

Signature radius is calculated for each ship already, most likely for each hit/dmg calculation and for targeting.
Transversal is more calculations as you need speed thats modified by skill, bonuses, modules (active and passive), EWAR (web anyone?) and direction.

Basicly signature radius is no harder to calculate than whats already there, so the only rteason to not add is is that its not there already...

+1'd. Makes a lot of sense. You can get a lot of information about an armor-tank's fit from the overview, but you can't do the same from a shield-tank. Not to mention how useful it would be to missile boats, while turret boats already have transversal/angular velocity on overview.

Just like ship, active (and passive!) modules, fleet bonuses, pilot skill set, prop mod and hostile stasis webs all affect the speed stat that displays on the overview.

You're forgetting the increase in load on the pilot, reading this stuff on top of everything else they already have to read in the course of a fight, nevermind that between someone's ship type (frigate, battleship, cruiser, etc.) and velocity you should be able to reasonably approximate their sig radius.

Information overload is a thing, data takes time to read and process and there's not as much time as one would like except during TiDi.