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[CSM] December Summit - The CSM & Hilmar

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-23 16:27:10 UTC
Please discuss issues related to this session in this thread. We look forward to your comments and suggestions.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2011-11-23 23:20:08 UTC
WOW. As long as this has been up.... I guess everyone is really thinking HARD about what to say here................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#3 - 2011-11-24 23:27:55 UTC
What do we post about what? What we think of them?
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#4 - 2011-11-25 19:54:22 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Please discuss issues related to this session in this thread. We look forward to your comments and suggestions.

Trebor, could you throw us a bone here...? You might as well say, "Chicken curry. Discuss."

What is this session, Trebor? Is it a meeting with the man, is it a discussion about the CSM's relationship with the guy, what...? Maybe once we know, you'll get a discussion...
Khudin Hadashur
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-25 20:41:52 UTC
This is (I think) the usual sit-down CSM has with Hilmar CSM has at the end of summits. That is at least what I remember from previous CSM minutes.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-25 22:17:01 UTC
Khudin Hadashur wrote:
This is (I think) the usual sit-down CSM has with Hilmar CSM has at the end of summits. That is at least what I remember from previous CSM minutes.


Yep.

If you feel there is a message you would like us to convey to Hilmar, do let us know. I'm sure we'd be happy to oblige.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Cidwm
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-26 20:03:24 UTC
People arnt happy with how the voting system works for the CSM at the moment (The number of anti-Mittani and anti-nullsec only CSM as examples). Maybe a review is needed to see if the current methods work, or possibly to explore other avenues. I have no firm suggestions as to what other methods, but some have been mentioned on the forums and theres real life examples that can be used and possibly incentives to vote in the next CSM elections.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#8 - 2011-11-26 20:31:09 UTC
8x Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L.

I think that'll convey the message nicely ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2011-11-28 09:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

If you feel there is a message you would like us to convey to Hilmar, do let us know. I'm sure we'd be happy to oblige.


I know I'm entirely too predictable here but...

Trebor, can you convey the message to Hilmar that many players still enjoy Faction Warfare and many more would resubscribe and participate again if it were given some development attention? Some maintenance on the core mechanical bugs and problems would if nothing else keep a good number of current subscribers around for years to come.

Thank you for your time, we appreciate it.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2011-11-28 12:50:40 UTC
Please convey to Hilmar that CCP are doing the right thing now, and if they keep doing it, they will be rewarded with increasing sub monies and the love of the players once again. Crucible looks like it's going to produce a fantastic increase in the every day "quality of life" for the ordinary EVE player

But also that the wounds are very freshly healed and still tender, and if Crucible is just a bone thrown to keep the dogs quiet, with CCP intending to resume it's old course again, that there will be no coming back from that. If they do that, the 8% will only be the first drop of rain, not the storm.

We've gotten an awesome "fix patch". Follow it up with a Revelations/Apocrypha style gameplay expansion patch in summer, and an iterations patch next winter, both pursued with the energy and passion we're seeing now, and CCP will have rebuilt that trust.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#11 - 2011-11-29 01:55:49 UTC
Remember that Eve is a massive, many-faceted universe and all those facets need attention, consideration, and new content. Also, it would be great to see the game mechanics be made more consistent, and exploits be PATCHED rather than band-aid rules used for YEARS.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-30 12:41:05 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:


Yep.

If you feel there is a message you would like us to convey to Hilmar, do let us know. I'm sure we'd be happy to oblige.
Unfortunately the message many of us would like to convey has no place in civil conversation. It mostly involves four letter words, vulgar insinuations of mothers, and a display of a finger of choice.

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#13 - 2011-11-30 20:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: mxzf
Cyprus Black wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:


Yep.

If you feel there is a message you would like us to convey to Hilmar, do let us know. I'm sure we'd be happy to oblige.
Unfortunately the message many of us would like to convey has no place in civil conversation. It mostly involves four letter words, vulgar insinuations of mothers, and a display of a finger of choice.


You mean words like 'epic' and telling him his mom did a good job at raising him and showing him a thumbs up?

I honestly do like the patch that just came out (huge-font gripes aside). If they really have turned over a new leaf of listening to their players and they can stick with it, then I'm happy. I echo Malcanis' post; if they keep going this direction, I expect good things in Eve's future.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#14 - 2011-11-30 21:45:58 UTC
What questions would you like us to ask Hilmar? I like asking questions. Cool

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2011-11-30 21:51:32 UTC
Seleene wrote:
What questions would you like us to ask Hilmar? I like asking questions. Cool


How soon will we see a revamp / iteration / upgrade on the Faction Warfare system?? What direction is CCP going with FW development?

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Velicitia
XS Tech
#16 - 2011-11-30 22:27:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Please convey to Hilmar that CCP are doing the right thing now, and if they keep doing it, they will be rewarded with increasing sub monies and the love of the players once again. Crucible looks like it's going to produce a fantastic increase in the every day "quality of life" for the ordinary EVE player

But also that the wounds are very freshly healed and still tender, and if Crucible is just a bone thrown to keep the dogs quiet, with CCP intending to resume it's old course again, that there will be no coming back from that. If they do that, the 8% will only be the first drop of rain, not the storm.

We've gotten an awesome "fix patch". Follow it up with a Revelations/Apocrypha style gameplay expansion patch in summer, and an iterations patch next winter, both pursued with the energy and passion we're seeing now, and CCP will have rebuilt that trust.



we might even allow a WiS expansion in Summer 2013 without shooting the Jita monument. (see, :18 months: can benefit FiS too P)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Big Bad Mofo
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-11-30 23:24:33 UTC
voting the way it is, is totally wrong and pretty much vote rigging. being an alliance leader of 2000-7000 members pretty much gaurantees you in, thats not right. CSM to be interviewed by senior ccp staff and chosen that way,