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Honestly, this post needs to be on every page.

Invest in what you're good at (spaceships) and let the money flow from there. CCP has made it's success by being unique in the industry, not by copying other companies.

This is happens when you drink the Microtransaction coolaid

I want to give CCP what they want but I don't want to loose what I want

it is not a case of if I win some one else has to loose

Like in faction warfare in high sec the local friendly NPC faction will help protect you.

Personally I would love the opportunity to Pay LP points to have the Faction NPC so set up camp around me during a personal wardec and guard me.
Probably this option would have to be in place before the Nex store could sell this option.
and the NEX store would be purchasing LP points to resell to lazy players.

See I'm not convinced that the CCP we know and love actually wanted Microtransaction money-grubbing-sandbox destroying NeXCarna rubbish to spoil their dream.

I think the whole monetization/MT/Vanity/Convenience trash came from a few "industry experts" who got hired who had very little understanding of what makes Eve a uniquely successful indie-style product and simply wanted to get paid to advise Hilmar to follow the crowd and make like a WOW sparkle pony. I hope those people all got fired.



Is that you CCP Zinfandel?

GET OUT!*































(*in game)

I've got it.

How about we invent this thing called PLEX. What it will do is allow poor players to trade isk for game time (isk which they have loads of because they mine while unemployed or studying for exams) and rl rich players will have the option of buying isk by trading the game time to the rl poor players! CCP will get more subscribers total and some of those will pay extra money for in-game advantage by trading in plex for isk.

Its genius right?

Think we should go with that strategy?




(removed all your stuff because we already have PLEX that achieves this goal without wrecking the game.)



You have stern competition from NeX quislings but I think thats probably the worst idea I've ever heard regarding Eve MT.

My mistake "Pay to win" is the Purchase of items off Nex that provide a game advantage to more than anything that can be found in the game by standard means of play. I would also think it would include the items purchase from the nex store but never removed from the market which will cause a deflation on the goods that the player put on sale.

Convenience item i believe is the purchase of a service or item that another person can produce. Such as if an item is purchased off of Nex then that same item is purchased off the market by Nex. Currently a Service provided by Evegiga and Virtual items eu Through RMT - which is against the Eula.
Putting RMT companies out of business would be a selling point for me, which results in in decrease CPU and More money put into the game with out these RMT Companies Leaching off the game.
Though for me to say Yay to MT Convenience items:
-->the Item sold on NEX has to be removed from market.
--> The Nex must attempt to simulate the movement of Goods though NPC courier contracts or the like so the Logistic players don't loose their lively hood
-->Nex Needs to have a large markup when selling the goods so players with out much effort can easily undercut the NEX store.
-->the Security level of the system the item is purchased at should be a variable as lower the security rating the harder it is to get goods to the person.
--> The price of items purchased from the Nex will go up if the NPC Contracts are not filled as time progresses and quantities are purchased. This point in necessary unlike many games eve does not have an “inventory system connect by worm holes” So I don't want the Nex store to be an easy work around blockades
--->the high price nex users are paying for will be Instant delivery, something other RMT sites can't do.

Yes Jade Constantine – we have had plex for some time. Which is fantastic which allow poor player to grind resources for rich players in exchange for game time. It has worked well in keeping many people playing and expanding the universe.
But how does that retain the older player who has less and less free time because he has money but not the time to even fit his ship.
If he could he would like to pay a few bucks on line buy a Prefit ship at his local station and do a couple of level 3 missions before he goes to bed.
Flying 15 jumps to Jita, and then Back to your mission location takes up to 2 nights worth of you time. Especially when you are working 14 hours a day for some REALLY GOOD MONEY. And would just like to blow something up, and then go to bed. I am not really to concern with loosing my ship either.

Or how about the new player – does not no all the tricks of the trades so has to learn to salvage pieces of ship items because nothing is close buy for me to build a decent ship with? And what is this thing called Jita or a trade hub. I have no Idea what that is since my newbie station is not near there.
I would be willing to pay a few isk to buy a prefit kestral just to get started. If some wanker pops me no loss for 50 cents worth of Aurrum I can buy another ship.

These two play styles would viably exist providing more fund for CCP to move the game forward in new directions with out leaving other sections neglected.

The world is changing and the old subscription model is being less and less amiable received now-a-days

Diablo 3: in fact Diablo III is going to come out with a integrated RMT model. Which blizzard is able to receive a % from each transaction a play makes to another player. What would you say if Eve turned free to play and the game was funded purely by RMT though the NEX where if you wanted to make Real money off the loot you get from your complex can be sold on NEX and you get “Paid”to play eve vs paying a subscription? Will put the Pirate RMT guys out of business.

Even though I feel Eve is the centre of my universe, I realize it is not the centre of everyone and my beloved game needs to adapt if its greatness shall continue.

I welcome Comments like Jades, it is helping me to develop my position of Convenience MT as apparent from my changing opinions though out this thread.

How about he puts up a post on the sell orders forum and says:

"want to buy, 10 prefit apocalypses with this fitting (includes fitting) this ammo (includes ammo and amounts) and these rigs (lists rigs) - items must be preconfigured and I need a can of quafe and dancing girl in the cargo hold, all ships must be named after Noël Coward plays. All ships to be supplied complete to Hek system Minmatar space. I will by 2.5x the total Jita purchase price of all items for this service."

And guess what. Other players will take him up on that and deliver the ships being paid a premium themselves for helping out a rl cash rich/time poor player who pays for the service by tradiing those PLEX he bought by doing an extra hour's overtime at work.

This is what can happen NOW, you don't need a NeX Abortion messing up player interaction in the Eve sandbox.



What you see as a problem Eve players see as gameplay.



I would prefer a free-to-play Eve with microtransactions to a hybrid subscription + microtransaction model any day of the week, but both of these options are a million miles behind the continuance of the subscription model as primary income and guarentor of all the game's content for everyone. Yes gaming is changing in some ways - but its a false argument to hold up the actions of an industry giant and claim everyone needs to emulate that. By the same logic we should be removing death penalty, introducing giant intelligent pandas and dumbing down eve to be furry friendly space friends online just because the market leader is forging this agenda!

Of course the irony of your remark about Diablo3's integrated RMT deal is that CCP have something similar already in PLEX. They legitimized the use of RL currency for in-game advantage and ensured they made extra income from the PLEX sales. Done deal. And its the only form of Microtransaction Eve online needs or really accepts.



So consider this point that Eve itself (the in-space game) doesn't need Microtransactions beyond what it already has with PLEX (which enable rich players to buy convenience and advantage through plex/isk conversation) without destroying opportunity for player interaction in the sandbox.

If you want to find a place for Microtransactions through NeX then I say go out of game items - sell shirts, coffee mugs, magazines, posters, eve-themed bits and pieces out of game. But keep the game-space pure of this stuff and preserve the essence of the game that kept it alive for 8 years. And make no mistake, most games if they'd been as comprehensively abandoned as eve was for the last 2 years would probably have already died by now. Eve survived because people know there isn't anything like it elsewhere in the gaming universe and they wanted it to live (despite hating what NeXCarna had done to it.)

If CCP want more profits they need to grow the game and get it back to a positive upwards trend in subscriptions. I don't believe the rot about the subscription model being "dead" because now in this current world environment of financial woe and uncertainty gamers want suspension of disbelief and insulation from the austerity and greed politics in their day to day life. Its easy to justify $15 dollars a month (or free if fund your sub through gameplay) as the cost of your leisure hobby - but change the game to a MT model and everything becomes an unwelcome reminder of how nickel and diming is prevelent in the modern world. People play games to forget the bullshit of the real world, not to be reminded of it by CCP Monocle and CCP thousand dollar jeans. People have always joked that Eve "spreadsheets" Online seems like a second job, but turn it through MT monetization into "Eve Online - Second Bankrupcy" and you'll truly see player base erode.

I am concern that MT items will circumvent the player who grind, for CCP to make quick buck.
This is why I am suggesting that Nex begins to act at a RMT service this will not only to help disable the current RMT badies, but also make CCP money to put back into the game. So I recommend Allowing Nex to make a percentage profit on the resale of player made items means there will "never be a P2W" option. It CCP wants to bring in those items that would be desirable like, Remaps, Ship Colours, Logo, unique items etc. They will have to let the player base grind them though LP or some form of industry to be placed on the market for the Nex store to resell.

This would encourage CCP to follow the directive of everything is player made such as PI... some thing the Current NEX path is moving away from.

With the Broker of Goods brought to players conveniently approach, the Nex store can have a “Massive variety of things to sell”

My Experience with DDO and they have convenience items, that I could take the time to sell Essence on the market to get the Plat to buy the +3 Chain a 2 day affair or I could spend the 25 or so Store Points to buy the +3 Chain and it goes into my inventory so I can get to doing adventure right away.
(DDO just makes it and simple make it a no drop item which eve does not have)

DDO also had things like Seasonal Candy canes that could make anyone a healer, which made the item a P2Win item as you could not find such an item via playing the game normally.

Will Plex simple be a solution as it has allow the effect of MT to happen over the last 5 years? I worked over the previous 3 years but the last 2 years more efficient spoon fed MT has over run the industry. If eve wants to remain competitive in this market it needs to make things easy spoon fed... much like DDO or other games.

In summary
Make the Current Fashion items player made or LP Items
Make Future items like Ship Colouring into player made or LP items
Have players place this on the market
Have Nex buy these items from the market as it as it sells them as MT
Have Nex Charge a Large markup to compensate for the convenience. This is where CCP makes their $$


CCP gets its MT, and Players are will never have to worry about P2Win ever becoming an issue.
I have never read the reports nor know the past work of these experts on MT, so I can't say if CCP is on solid ground or if the vocal minority are unreasonably panicky.
All I know I never want my hours of Mining grinding ore to have to compete with some one who is just paying for a good some item made out with out grinding. But if some one want to pay too much than any sane person wants to for my item I put on the market, even though I don't get the extra profit beyond what I ask for, I say Go a head it is not my money being wasted it.

CCP is already providing real world items for sell, but those don't bring in the potential revenue as selling instant gratification items in game. Small gratification that is conveniently put at one's feet, so you can casually just pay, pickup and play. CCP needs to find additional revenue or raise the monthly fee of the game. CCP monthly fee has not keep up with inflation.

Personally I want the Lazy, self indulging rich guy often with not much time on his hands to pay for the costs of running the game that is not covered due to inflation.
The Broker to make the Purchase of items off the market convenient approach won't receive a negative selling items flat out at this is a slippery slope.
--> first vanity items, like Boots or a paint job,
-->then Convenience items like NPC Couriers
-->then Instant re-customization like Plex for Remap,
-->then P2Win like Gold Jovian Ammo.

This and in general removal of microtransactions altogether. Heres some stuff I wrote on the matter. I personally think they ought to remove the nex store and it should be noted that if CCP starts using convinence microtransactions, they may very well face another uprising and one that is worse than it was before.

Don't you dare, CCP.

This.

I am scared to death by CCP constantly bringing up micro-transactions. CCP used to pride itself on making a smart game that stood out. Yet every time I turn around they want to do what works for cookie cutter mmo's that don't hang around for more than a couple years. I know this thread isn't meant for CCP directly but could you guys on the CSM try extremely hard to drive home the fact that EVE is inherently not your run of the mill MMO, and thus strategies meant for run of the mill MMO's will probably not work for their product? I feel like this was something they understood at some point.

More on topic:
Vanity only.
Preferably none at all.