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Sentry Drone Tracking Speed Reduction - will this help

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Anthar Thebess
#21 - 2014-08-29 10:34:17 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Leoric Firesword wrote:
no, just no.


Not empty quoting.

Sentry drones are fine as they are right now and one Ishtar is not a problem, many Ishtars together are.

But that is not the fault of the ship, it's a problem created by people. If our younger audience wasn't so fixed on some statistics on some other websites, we wouldn't have those problems.

Thing is, this perticular audience is so obsessed with some statistics that they do things to uphold some status they can show off to others.

Back in the day the folks were much more interested in real fighting each other, no matter the outcome than today.

When I visited lowsec for the first time in an Osprey for mining some Jaspet, someone in a Brutix came along and locked my ship, then opened a conversation and told me he could have shot me but he didn't because he saw no appeal in shooting a noob.
He gave me some pointers and also told me that not everyone would be like that and he warped off to look for someone else to fight.

Eight years and 3 billion killboards later that would not have happened.

I get the big complaint about Ishtar blobs but serioulsy, one day it zee unstoppable Drake or the Hurricane that cannot be destroyed.

I can shoot down one Ishtar no problem, so can everyone else, so the problem is not the ship, it's the people.

If you cry for nerfs to sentry drones, you are also gimping a few battleships and I have no problem at all with a Dominix fielding sentries with high tracking.

I even wish, the Dominix could have the drone control range of an Ishtar but she does not. So it is up to you to make her get the range.

Nerf people, not the drones!


I do not agree.
Isthars are just one of the examples how sentry drones are broken.

Yes i'm all against sentry drones in fleet fights.
They not only are unbalanced but also amplify TIDI.

Sentry + Missile on a field - the biggest TIDI.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-08-29 12:31:17 UTC
I think the change didn't effect PVP nor PVE hard enough... People are still having easy time doing everything they did before the change.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-08-29 14:56:17 UTC
The problem with the Ishtar is that it's a cruiser using battleship sized weapons. The solution IMO is rather simple: Change the bonuses of all drone boats to bonus drones of their hull size and lower

Frigs would have bonused light drones.
Cruisers/Battlecruisers would have bonused medium drones and light drones
Battleships would have bonused heavy drones, sentry drones, medium drones and light drones

With that in place, they could then perhaps add "light" and "medium" sentry drones; less DPS better tracking.

Hey guys.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-08-29 23:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Ishtar isn't being used in the AT much, and those that are, do better with heavies over sentries. There is no problem with the ship balance wise. The old sentry Dominix was unbalanced, this ship is not.

The only problem here is too many terrible frigate pilots, with their MWD always on, that have no idea what a transversal velocity is.

Ruining this ship just to help frigate baddies isn't a great idea.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#25 - 2014-08-29 23:32:35 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
The problem with the Ishtar is that it's a cruiser using battleship sized weapons. The solution IMO is rather simple: Change the bonuses of all drone boats to bonus drones of their hull size and lower

Frigs would have bonused light drones.
Cruisers/Battlecruisers would have bonused medium drones and light drones
Battleships would have bonused heavy drones, sentry drones, medium drones and light drones

With that in place, they could then perhaps add "light" and "medium" sentry drones; less DPS better tracking.


Maybe.

Still, one Ishtar is not a problem and a very special ship. I said many Ishtars are a problem.

But the same problem were the sooper dooper unstoppable, solo-wtf-uber-unkillable-gank-pwn-mobiles with zee heavy missiles that were conquering all of SOV-nullsec, winning all faction-warfare fights for the Caldari and made the Caldari the unbeatable murder-race of all times.

Again and for the last time, that is not a problem of the drones or the ships, its the folks flying the ships.

Next month there will be another ship that is unkillable and will conquer all of SOV-nullsec and wipe out goofswarm and we will haz the most massive amount of moon-poo price-raise in the history of New Eden.

And all that because all of the 'bulk folks' are very uncreative in fitting ships.

But we haz zee rescuers of all mankind, thanks to some lawyer, who likes himself very much, and if he tells someone that even the Blender is a good boat, they bring 12000 Blenders and win EVE- erm I mean crash zee hamsters..

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sytaqe violacea
Choir of morning
#26 - 2014-09-06 18:10:06 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Guys, we need sized sentries, we need small and and medium sentries so that ships like the gila, vexor, myrm, Eos, navy vexor, ishtar, prophecy, arbitrator, pilgrim and curse can all have medium drone specific bonuses.


As one of militia noob, I like this idea.
Medium sentry drone of 10m3, 10Mbps, Medium Rail Tracking, and Medium Drone DPS will be good counter against boosted kiting fleet inside small or novice plex.
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-09-06 18:26:46 UTC
Drastic changes won't be made due to the ships popularity. That how CCP Rise likes to balances things.

Take a look at how bad they ****** up the Rattlesnake, a less popular ship Pirate faction battleship. -225 reduction in drone bay, loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses on all drones. Apparently, it's OK to **** all over people and completely destroy a play style as long as its not a popular one.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#28 - 2014-09-06 18:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Voidstar
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
Drastic changes won't be made due to the ships popularity. That how CCP Rise likes to balances things.

Take a look at how bad they ****** up the Rattlesnake, a less popular ship Pirate faction battleship. -225 reduction in drone bay, loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses on all drones. Apparently, it's OK to **** all over people and completely destroy a play style as long as its not a popular one.

Roll Still? Sheesh let it go. The Rattler performs better in every way than before.

I would be all for sized sentries.

Op is off base on sentries needing nerfs. At worst heavies should be reduced to 20m3/20bw and sentries left as is, with a few tweaks to certain drone bays to disincentive their use.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-09-06 19:30:00 UTC
@op no, sentrys in themselfs are to strong
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