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Lonely Space Hobo: Social Test #1

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Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-08-28 18:38:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I see.

Another person who equates homosexuality with something bad, and something to be laughed at, and you attempt to call ME the bigot?

Seriously, you should take a good look at yourself before you point fingers.


i was pointing out that in most places homosexuality is considered, if not bad, at least worthy of ridicule, and that you wouldn't have made that comment if you weren't aware of that. i'm not sure how being aware that homophobia is a thing that exists makes one homophobic
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#62 - 2014-08-28 18:40:37 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I see.

Another person who equates homosexuality with something bad, and something to be laughed at, and you attempt to call ME the bigot?

Seriously, you should take a good look at yourself before you point fingers.


i was pointing out that in most places homosexuality is considered, if not bad, at least worthy of ridicule, and that you wouldn't have made that comment if you weren't aware of that. i'm not sure how being aware that homophobia is a thing that exists makes one homophobic


And clearly you have not noticed I avoid doing anything that "most people" do, especially attempting to mock people for something completely natural.

I dont care what "most people" in "most places" do.

If you find that they do this acceptable, then you are part of the problem too.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-08-28 18:48:30 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

And clearly you have not noticed I avoid doing anything that "most people" do, especially attempting to mock people for something completely natural.

I dont care what "most people" in "most places" do.

If you find that they do this acceptable, then you are part of the problem too.

???

you're implying that you were acting without any influence at all from the homophobic society that you are immersed in, and your idea to do a play on words off of "hobo" was based on... what, exactly? where do you think the idea that calling someone a homosexual is funny even comes from if not the idea that homosexuality is inherently gross and funny

and somehow, critiquing something that is both derived from and contributes to a culture of homophobia is homophobic now? :|
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#64 - 2014-08-28 18:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

And clearly you have not noticed I avoid doing anything that "most people" do, especially attempting to mock people for something completely natural.

I dont care what "most people" in "most places" do.

If you find that they do this acceptable, then you are part of the problem too.

???

you're implying that you were acting without any influence at all from the homophobic society that you are immersed in, and your idea to do a play on words off of "hobo" was based on... what, exactly? where do you think the idea that calling someone a homosexual is funny even comes from if not the idea that homosexuality is inherently gross and funny

and somehow, critiquing something that is both derived from and contributes to a culture of homophobia is homophobic now? :|



No, let me explain this one more time as you are having so much difficulty

YOU are assuming I was making a reference to homosexuality (Which I wasnt)

YOU are the one claiming it was meant as an insult (Which it wasnt)

Therefore YOU think being homosexual is something shameful, bad, or funny.

I can't make my feelings on this any clearer.

I will NOT be held accountable for YOUR attitude.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-08-28 18:52:54 UTC

I've gone berserk over slurs in GD, and I will continue to do so if I see one.


In Ramona's case, my experience is that Ramona has been consistently vocal in favor of gender and difference/preference equality and respect.. often taking a stronger stand than I have the courage to express.


Nothing Ramona says, from my limited understanding, is coincidental.. so don't become the poor souls who find themselves at the wrong end of a GD posting grudge match. Her intention is not to be bigoted or biased or any of those things..




Let's help Space Hobo find some space adventures..


Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#66 - 2014-08-28 18:55:04 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

I've gone berserk over slurs in GD, and I will continue to do so if I see one.

In Ramona's case, my experience is that Ramona has been consistently vocal in favor of gender and difference/preference equality and respect.. often taking a stronger stand than I have the courage to express.

Nothing Ramona says, from my limited understanding, is coincidental.. so don't become the poor souls who find themselves at the wrong end of a GD posting grudge match. Her intention is not to be bigoted or biased or any of those things..

Let's help Space Hobo find some space adventures..


Thank you Sibyyl, your understanding is very much appreciated.

And Space Hobo, please find the isk I promised in your account.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-08-28 19:00:06 UTC
hold on, so your argument is based off the idea that you through of, typed out, and posted a comment containing the word "homo" without at all thinking about homosexuality, its assumed comedic value, or how someone reading that comment might interpret it. that's a lil...

... ok, whatever, i'll go back to crying over confessions of a mask now or something
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#68 - 2014-08-28 19:05:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
hold on, so your argument is based off the idea that you through of, typed out, and posted a comment containing the word "homo" without at all thinking about homosexuality, its assumed comedic value, or how someone reading that comment might interpret it. that's a lil...

... ok, whatever, i'll go back to crying over confessions of a mask now or something


I dont care how others choose to understand what I say, because I dont wear a mask. The meaning was clear between myself and the person I was talking to.

I feel it is time when our culture should develop beyond such nonsense.

If something is bad, I call it bad.

Dwell in the meanderings of a terrible past if you wish, but I would recommend striving for a better future.

That's why the world Yukio Mishima details does not exist in that country anymore.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
SierraOne ScopedIn
SierraOne Financial Holdings
#69 - 2014-08-28 19:09:52 UTC
Hear Hear!
Anyways, I got your donations guys.

Thanks so much!

I still need ideas for social experiment #2, so feel to free to PM me in-game about.
It's not Space Hobos are busy or anything...
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-08-28 19:17:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


I dont care how others choose to understand what I say, because I dont wear a mask. The meaning was clear between myself and the person I was talking to.

I feel it is time when our culture should develop beyond such nonsense.

If something is bad, I call it bad.

Dwell in the meanderings of a terrible past if you wish, but I would recommend striving for a better future.

That's why the world Yukio Mishima details does not exist in that country anymore.

i should've gone for something more pithy like "self flagellation while re-watching голубой щенок"
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#71 - 2014-08-28 19:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I see.

Another person who equates homosexuality with something bad, and something to be laughed at, and you attempt to call ME the bigot?

Seriously, you should take a good look at yourself before you point fingers.


i was pointing out that in most places homosexuality is considered, if not bad, at least worthy of ridicule, and that you wouldn't have made that comment if you weren't aware of that. i'm not sure how being aware that homophobia is a thing that exists makes one homophobic


What you don't seem to understand is that it is Ok to call another player "Homo" if you are Ramona because she understands what she means and you don't! Get it?

(Sibbyl I was trying to be snarky but thanks for the like. The fact that you are a 40 year old dude doesn't make my appreciation that you have the hottest avatar in EvE any less disturbing.)
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#72 - 2014-08-28 19:17:51 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

I think social test #2 for the Space Hobo would be to start a fight with a random stranger.. and lose.



I volunteer as tribute!

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
SierraOne ScopedIn
SierraOne Financial Holdings
#73 - 2014-08-28 19:19:16 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

I think social test #2 for the Space Hobo would be to start a fight with a random stranger.. and lose.



I volunteer as tribute!


May the odds ever be in your favour.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#74 - 2014-08-28 19:20:42 UTC
SierraOne ScopedIn wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

I think social test #2 for the Space Hobo would be to start a fight with a random stranger.. and lose.



I volunteer as tribute!


May the odds ever be in your favour.


They usually are :)

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#75 - 2014-08-28 19:24:10 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:

i should've gone for something more pithy like "self flagellation while re-watching голубой щенок"


I know the work but I fail to see the connection.

However, Russia's time will come.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-08-28 19:24:32 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:

What you don't seem to understand is that it is Ok to call another player "Homo" if you are Ramona because she understands what she means and you don't! Get it?

wait is this sarcastic or not. i can't tell any more. these politics where pointing out that something someone said was tacky is interpreted as an attack on someone entire character have rendered me incompetent to stand trial any longer
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-08-28 19:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathaniel Raynaud
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:

i should've gone for something more pithy like "self flagellation while re-watching голубой щенок"


I know the work but I fail to see the connection.

However, Russia's time will come.

the joke is that the cartoon is interpreted as being a reference to homosexual persecution and you can read it as a self-loathing clueless straight ally thing or as a self-loathing homosexual thing
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#78 - 2014-08-28 19:28:49 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:

the joke is that the cartoon is interpreted as being a reference to homosexual persecution and you can read it as a self-loathing clueless straight ally thing or as a self-loathing homosexual thing


Even though its just the Ugly Duckling and its slang connotation is a reverse application. Fair enough, I suppose I understand it from that point of view.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#79 - 2014-08-28 19:30:50 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:

What you don't seem to understand is that it is Ok to call another player "Homo" if you are Ramona because she understands what she means and you don't! Get it?

wait is this sarcastic or not. i can't tell any more. these politics where pointing out that something someone said was tacky is interpreted as an attack on someone entire character have rendered me incompetent to stand trial any longer



Because every single one of us on here is Homo.... hopefully all of us sapienses, because if there are any neanderthalensi, my professor has a lot of explaining to do.


note: every Homo sapiens has at least 2% neanderthalensis DNA.
note: let's re-affirm, here, that sapiens is singular, not plural, and "sapien" is completely incorrect.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-08-28 19:41:20 UTC
anyway i'm done making uncomfortable jokes about my sexual orientation so instead i'll just say that there's probably something in here that could provide the material for a good social experiment

or if y'all don't want to comb thru a whole textbook, i'm sure one of these could be adapted for use in the space video game