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A Declaration of Futility for the Minmatar Republic : An Open Letter
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-08-30 04:51:02 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Slaves do not get to choose. They get ripped off the hands of their people, have collars and chains put onto them and made to do as their masters desire. There is no decision on their part, their masters make all the decisions for them. No matter what they think or want, they have no say.

Slavery is nothing like working in a megacorp. You might want to research slavery a bit more before throwing accusations around.

As I have stated earlier, this is short-sighted view.
Everyone and always have decision to take, and if you don't see it, this means you are either blind or coward.

If you were a Caldari, I could offer you my sword if you think that the humiliation is too strong for you. But since you are a minmatar, I expect you to live in humiliation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-08-30 07:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Slaves do not get to choose. They get ripped off the hands of their people, have collars and chains put onto them and made to do as their masters desire. There is no decision on their part, their masters make all the decisions for them. No matter what they think or want, they have no say.

Slavery is nothing like working in a megacorp. You might want to research slavery a bit more before throwing accusations around.

As I have stated earlier, this is short-sighted view.
Everyone and always have decision to take, and if you don't see it, this means you are either blind or coward.

If you were a Caldari, I could offer you my sword if you think that the humiliation is too strong for you. But since you are a minmatar, I expect you to live in humiliation.


Then perhaps you may enlighten me with what sort of decisions a spirit-broken slave can make. Far as I see it it's either kowtow to the vitoc addiction or the shock prod and sell their dignity to avoid the pain so they can live or rise up, break a few noses and be shot to death (unless they are lucid enough and surrounded by other lucid slaves to plot a mass rebellion).

Also, if you are still offering that sword, I will take it off your hands. I am very sure I can find a buyer for it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Nissui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-08-30 08:09:45 UTC
Joe Themachine wrote:
Come back home my people! Before our current State of Futility blooms into the never-ending humiliation of our people.

To my cousin with his guts in a twist, park it by the fire and listen to one Clan’s tell of it.

We know where we go 'cause we know where we been, seein' the steps wind back on the sands of world what birthed our foremothers. Each one says to the next, 'out there is your path, go walk it,' so we take home with us, and the spirits who reached through the dusty ages to put us on our feet tell us the way to truck, but not the where. That's our doin'.

From the Tribes come the strong, and the wise, the clever, and the brave, who raise up a Family, truck with the Clan. From them come the chiefs who tell the way to be strong soz the Clan is strong, wise soz the Clan is wise. From the best of 'em all come the Elders, whose own doin’ cast a star for us to see by, tell what we done, what can be done, soz others know the way, across the void all abuzz with quanta.

They tell that all the Vasty Dark is home to us, and no power can close a way that we can’t truck another, soz every place we sit is Matar just by us bein’ there. Like the first pathfinders did layin’ eyes on the great open sea for the first time, they didn’t frown, turnin’ home for nothin’ called futility. They said, ‘out there is a way to find,’ and then they kept truckin’.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-08-30 11:12:43 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Then perhaps you may enlighten me with what sort of decisions a spirit-broken slave can make. Far as I see it it's either kowtow to the vitoc addiction or the shock prod and sell their dignity to avoid the pain so they can live or rise up, break a few noses and be shot to death (unless they are lucid enough and surrounded by other lucid slaves to plot a mass rebellion).

This is already a decision, and it looks like the slaves already did it, preferring the first part.
Besides starting a rebellion they could have simply killed themselves. Or are they too coward, so that death should be delivered only by hands of others?..

Elmund Egivand wrote:

Also, if you are still offering that sword, I will take it off your hands. I am very sure I can find a buyer for it.

I said if you were a Caldari and not a honorless tribal merchant.
I should remember to offer you next time a cup of tea instead of a sword.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#45 - 2014-08-30 11:41:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Then perhaps you may enlighten me with what sort of decisions a spirit-broken slave can make. Far as I see it it's either kowtow to the vitoc addiction or the shock prod and sell their dignity to avoid the pain so they can live or rise up, break a few noses and be shot to death (unless they are lucid enough and surrounded by other lucid slaves to plot a mass rebellion).

This is already a decision, and it looks like the slaves already did it, preferring the first part.
Besides starting a rebellion they could have simply killed themselves. Or are they too coward, so that death should be delivered only by hands of others?..

Elmund Egivand wrote:

Also, if you are still offering that sword, I will take it off your hands. I am very sure I can find a buyer for it.

I said if you were a Caldari and not a honorless tribal merchant.
I should remember to offer you next time a cup of tea instead of a sword.


You're aware that your opinion is utterly meaningless to us, outsider?

If not, make yourself aware, please.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#46 - 2014-08-30 11:43:26 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
...Starfire especially used to screech at me over the issue...


I DO NOT SCREECH!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-08-30 11:50:51 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

You're aware that your opinion is utterly meaningless to us, outsider?

If not, make yourself aware, please.

Just as yours for us, jaijii.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#48 - 2014-08-30 12:03:12 UTC
It is tiring watching arguments about slavery between two people who have never experienced slavery. No, Egivand, slaves do have some capacity for choice even in bondage, and that is why we consider TCMCs such a horrible thing. No, Kim, the choice of death is not a choice at all, and just because you believe that killing yourself is a simple matter doesn't mean that everyone else does.

And now I think the people interested in the actual purpose of this thread would appreciate if you both stopped trying to derail it. The topic you're trying to argue has already been done in circles in the Slave Butcher's thread.

Diana Kim wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:

You're aware that your opinion is utterly meaningless to us, outsider?

If not, make yourself aware, please.

Just as yours for us, jaijii.


This isn't a Caldari thread. I know you and yours seem to believe that you absolutely must turn every thread you post in into a Caldari thread, but the south of New Eden is tired of it.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#49 - 2014-08-30 12:06:12 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
This isn't a Caldari thread. I know you and yours seem to believe that you absolutely must turn every thread you post in into a Caldari thread, but the south of New Eden is tired of it.


Why can't I like this post more than once...

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
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