EVE General Discussion

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This is what other MMOs offer to some extent, and so people come here expecting that rather than being open to what EVE is.

The problem is their wrong expectations, not the game.

yes, iv lost 1/3 of a billion in frigates since July, iv killed over 11 bill with those frigates because im not afraid to lose them.

Good.

If gamers these days actually put some basic thought process into their self-entitlement and impatience, and reconnected to reality, they'd realise that there's no such thing as anything that you get to be good at instantly. If I've been doing something for, say, eleven years, which is the time period I spent working as a qualified chef, then I'd damn well better be a lot better at what I do than the apprentice I'm taking on who's only just started.

And you'd better believe that if some kid comes into my kitchen thinking he knows more or is already better than me with about five minutes worth of experience, then he's going to last about that same five minutes before I have him scrubbing dishes and floors while I look for a new apprentice to replace him with.

It's not so much the entitlement of gamers that expect... no, demand, everything be handed to them right now without having to strive for the achievement and learn what they're doing, but the flippant arrogance behind that entitlement. And while we're on the subject of tutorials, no degree of tutorials can make you good at anything, they can only introduce you to the basics. The advanced lessons come with getting experience. Halo's 'tutorials' teach you how to jump, fire, reload, etc. The tactics to playing the game on Legendary, however, go far beyond what the tutorials offer. Again, it's the same with cooking. I can show you how to hold a knife so you don't strain your hands or hurt yourself, I can show you how to dice a whole onion efficiently - it's then up to you to learn how to dice that whole onion in less than 30 seconds, because if you've been with me for a year, that's how long you have to dice a whole onion, or you're looking for a new job.

I don't chef anymore though, I'm just using it as an example - experience makes you good, not entitlement. A lot of people would be doing a lot better at a variety of things in their lives, not just this game, if they reconnected to reality for a moment and realised that the world doesn't hand you what you want or demand on a silver platter. The same applies to games - that game you paid for can show you how to play it, it can give you the information, it can give you everything you need to be able to play that game except for the skills that you're going to have to work at if you want to be good at it.

That's the bottom line. You pay to play the game, and access CCP's servers. You don't pay to be good at it.

The main thing a new player wanting to get into PvP needs is a realistic expectation that they are going to blow up a lot early on in their pvp experience.

Blowing up however doesn't equate to losing. It equates to learning - as a player.

Both sides of pvp - character skills and player skills - are important. The first gives you flexibility to fit and competently fly a wider range of ships and the second gives you the ability to fight smartly.

There is no loss as a new player blowing up, because every time you blow up, your smarts as a player improve and a lot of smarts can be gained early on.

The cost of those experiences and whether that is too expensive is another thing. There are a lot of good, cheap fits for ships that allow new players to die a lot and not hurt the account balance too much but it's difficult in the game early on to concentrate both on pvp and on learning to generate ISK. I used PLEX early on, but don't need to now. For me that worked and made pvp very cheap.

Excellent post with great advice on adjusting your attitude to EvE settings.

Boy, you must be a blast at parties.

Repeat after me: this is a GAME. It's meant as ENTERTAINMENT.

The amount of humorlessness and EVE IS SERIOUS BUSINESS in this thread is just...well, exactly what I've come to expect from a subset of Eve players over the years, actually.

But hey, if you want to treat Eve as a second job that you don't even get paid to do, go right ahead. I'd prefer to have fun with Eve, and for other players to have fun with me, but that's just me.

Yep. I've been playing MMo's since the 2D games like The Realm. It's happened in each and every single one of them.

And I bet you care a great deal about the profits of CCP's shareholders.

What does that have to do with anything? Does it make my point incorrect? LOL some people. The best thing about the EvE forums are the posters who presume to know what other people "are really saying."