EVE General Discussion

You don't need all V's to use it, it's just fairly standard practice to post ship fits and figures with all skills V.

I never said it was a good solo ship, I said they're lethal in force, i.e. 10-20 newbies in Derptrons can really screw up your day.

Frigates in numbers are as good a way to kill off your enemies as any other, ask any Goon.

the only free ship you get is your first interceptor Frig when you proof that the last skill to Fly it finishes soon xD but you get free skill books 7ö

One of the problems new players have (if not using PLEX to generate isk), it takes quite sometime just to be able to fit +3 implants. As soon as they're fitted they can't afford to get podded, so they have to play safe.

Jump clones need to be far easy to get hold of earlier, that doesn't mean leaving an NPC corp to get one through another player's solution. They need to be easily available for all pilots without the need to leave their corp.

Also replacement clone cost could do with being cheaper towards the top end of the scale.



If it was me, I'd also do away with learning implants and just add the points to the other skill base points, the skill tree is too long anyway (time wise). Don't see why we need 10 implants in our head, when 5 combat/mining ones is more than enough.

At least if learning implant were removed, PvP would be more affordable and there would be no difference in learning speed between PvPers and PvEers.

Yeah, that's not happening any time soon, we don't need to screw up the economy like that. The LP market would take a gigantic nosedive, for starters, that's where most of the standard ones come from.

And, honestly, implants are not hard to protect. I honestly can't remember the last time any of my characters got podded when it wasn't either my own fault, or I got stuck in a bubble.

And new players aren't exactly going to be gatecrashing a defended system in null.

Implants exist to reward risk. You risk more in implants flying around? You are given a benefit to your skill gains. And honestly, a cheap set of +3s will work just fine for pretty much anybody, when you do the math on the time you're saving for +4s and higher, it's a matter of a few days a year.

And new players aren't interested in that kind of timeframe, you need to give them a reason to keep playing the game week to week, not year to year. Implants, and the dialogue about removing them, are not even a blip on the radar for the new player experience discussion. That's mostly just a smokescreen for veteran players who want the benefits of implants with the risks removed.

Wait till you fly Dreadnaughts OP, lololOLOLOL!

It looks like you missed the two key words here: “new player”.

A fit is only ever as good as your ability to put it to use. If it costs more than you can afford, you can't put it to use and it is therefore **** no matter what the numbers say. The 2M ISK setup beats it 9 times out of 10 because the expensive shitfit simply does not show up. And when it does show up, the 2M ISK wins anyway because that pilot now has 10× more experience.

So the **** fit and the **** opponent is one and the same: the 10M “newbie” frigate.

Wow. A ship that works in some circumstances, but doesn't in others. Amazing. Hard to believe, even.

Close but not quite.
A new player without the experience of what his ship is capable of is cannon fodder. He has no ability to judge what the right engagement is. Any (non-stupid) fit is decent given the right circumstances, and it's the composition rather than the cost that determines the stupidity of the fit. The trick lies in learning what those circumstances are.

A new player in a 10M ship is far more cannon fodder than one in a 2M ship for the simple reason that the former will lack the experience of the latter (in fact, he might be dangerously overconfident that his 10M will carry the day, when it will actually do nothing of the kind), and the gap will only increase the longer it takes for the 10M guy to stop wasting money.

It's far more likely that the 10M guy will never learn to fit his ship properly and will never actually get into PvP because he's so focused imaginary and ultimately irrelevant “must haves” (such as the higher-tiered equipment that ratchets up the cost). It's just ye olde “don't do X until you have Y” in monetary form, and it is as bad an idea here as it is everywhere else.

That's needlessly late and laughably overpriced.

wasted the fist year playing exactly like this