EVE General Discussion

Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet.

And you still haven't figured out yet that we're the ones selling the stuff you'd be selling if you hadn't gotten ganked. And/or selling you back a new indy ship.

Turns out, market PvP can include real PvP.

Nevermind that, if you really want to point fingers about ship prices, the real culprit is closer to home.

This is good advice. I use it's bigger brother, the Taranis (for bubble immunity in null), with almost the exact same fit quite a bit. Works wonders.

This statement has some merit but over looks something important.

The mineral market, is a competitive market. In a competitive market, suppliers are price takers and not price makers.
Where you'll see an impact would be where the indy corps produce goods with the minerals instead of selling it straight up.

However

The statement is still too simple to fit. Some indy corps are exempt since it's their alts or even their mains that are also behind the ganking. I remember looking at the CODE alliance members list. One of the corps was an indy corp. Then there are those that use the evasive tactics available to them. Then there is the fact that there are lots of indy corps out there and while the amount of ganking seems to be higher than it's ever been, it's still small compared to the amount of indy going on.

That's not to say that the quoted statement isn't a bad statement. A competitive market is one that has the greatest benefit to the game's player base as a whole.

So I'd rather not see ganking. There is better ship vs ship offered in EvE for those that want it and I'd rather see indy PvP be about who can mine more in less time but it is what it is.

There seems to be a negative influence being pushed by some capsuleers that new pilots need to buy T2 and/or the most expensive modules possible to have any chance of winning fights.

The reality is, most fights are won or lost because of mistakes, forgetting to keep range, forgetting to turn something on, or just having a counter productive fit. The meta level of the modules often doesn't even come into the equation, because a suite of other issues has already decided the outcome.

Only the more experienced veteran capsuleers (who have a healthy income) will justify splurging on the shiny fits, because they know they can fly the ship well enough that it will actually give them an advantage. Or, just players with a healthy income, period.

New players should fly as cheaply and as often as possible until they start noticing the little details, analyzing their screenshots and combat logs, and formulating tactics. If they start making that conscious effort to improve their skills, they will become good pilots, and they'll enjoy EVE.

Why does it matter? Because if you don't enjoy doing something, are you going to continue doing it? Probably not.

Is that good for EVE ? no.

Please stop telling new pilots to burn themselves out by going broke every time they lose a ship.

I regularly roam in pirate cruiser or a HAC, with my FC and others in Machs, faction fit, and we have a lot of fun, stuff explodes (usually me)
Never will my FC say you can't bring that ship because its not "good" enough.
My GF joined corp and came along in a T1 fit Thorax... no one cared... she had a ball even though stuff was dieing before she could even lock it :)

I would never tell another pilot he needs a "better" ship or he can't come on a roam... that s*&t is best left to the Incursion community.

As with everything, your experience may vary, if you go to low at off hours, with 0-3 people in local and the only fight you can hope for is meeting a bored pvper looking for easy prey in an astero, tristan, navy frig or t2, you are easy to come to the conlusion, that you either need very high skills or a expensive ship.

(And to add insult to the injury, you may be contacted after kill. Why would i want to hear about pvp from someone going around in a 80m ship with t2 drones killing noobs in atrons? :) )