EVE General Discussion

It's a lot like that in real life too. I grew up with one crummy TV in the house. Now kids are in houses with 5 TV's, Gaming consoles, computers, cell phones, etc. And they still whine...

Nah, you were way off the mark the first time around & still are. The real issue is the mentality people have of 'more expensive is better'.

With all due respect, you seem extremely shortsighted.

I have an alt right now that I am training without sending a single ISK from any other toon. Why? Because I want absolutely no interaction between the new alt and any other character on the API for...reasons...(which is also why I post responses like this from a throwaway alt)

There is more to this game than "queue up the next mission and blap away", which you don't seem to grasp.

*sigh* you're doing this wrong



again, doing this wrong



you know what I'm going to say here.

Let's try this again kids.

1. It took me 2 days to get my first set of +3's on a brand new character (like literally never played the game before) with no boosts from anyone.

2. Level 1's really? you do those? There's this skill, it's called "Connections" Train it. There's this other skill "Social" train it too. Seriously. Train both of those.

3. I lose way more ships than I kill in pvp. In EVE as in real life you must live within your means. I don't fly expensive ships because I couldn't afford to lose many of those, I fly cheaply fit T1 frigs. My favorite right now is the condor, I think mine is worth something like 1 mil or so isk.

How is this thread still alive? There's so very many ways to fund pvp, and yes, some of those take away from training for pvp, but you need to make a decision, be space poor and whine about how expensive stuff is or figure out better ways to make isk.

The thing about eve is that it takes effort to succeed. You have to read (I know a tall order for the kids of today).

This certainly does reduce the ability to PvP at an entry level.

A Zealot is 20 Omen and while it's cool to be in the Zealot it doesn't come close to the cost. The real issue being, lose a Zealot, lose 20 Omen, you will lose them and it's what the game needs. I notice more and more Null alliances do place value on that in their recruitment. I'm not going to preach on my pulpit until I **** or get off the pot and go lose some ships in Null but it's a good trend.

If your statement is genuine, then you might want to give this forum a visit.

Because, regardless of player age, you should be doing better than that. People can do better with a three day old salvaging alt.

You know, this thread is kinda redundant.

Simple fact is, there just aren't enough newbies trying their hand at PVP because too many of them are being lead astray by themepark highsec corps with no desire for PVP in this PVP game, and told that mining/missioning is the way to go and isk is important.

The fact that the only losses I've experienced lately are to CONCORD is partly testament to this. There are other signs as well, like that clown I stole the corp off, etc.

But the bottom line is, the cost of PVP is irrelevant when the attitude just isn't there. Sure, I've met plenty of newbies that want to PVP. But they are usually hand-picked from a large batch that don't.

If CCP are updating the NPE to expressly advise newbies that they are getting into a PVP experience BEFORE they subscribe, that might make a difference. If they're not, then I don't know what to do. It's one thing to teach someone to PVP if they already want to - it's another entirely to encourage someone to PVP who doesn't want to.

We need to discuss that before we discuss the cost.

How do you make your isk? And how "new" are you thinking? It takes more than 4 months for a truly new player to understand enough about game mechanics to reasonably go off and PvP on their own, let alone having the skills necessary to do it effectively in any way.

In that time, you can do plenty to build up an initial isk bank. When you're done, join RvB to learn more about combat and PvP, all while you continue to build up your skills.

After, travel through low or null and run relic and data sites. Even with minimal skills, this can earn you more than 10 mil per site.

Cost really isn't an issue for players who reach out to learn how to make isk (as you've done). And forum threads like this can help educate those who don't know where to turn.

Most importantly, JOIN A CORP. THEY WILL HELP SHARE KNOWLEDGE AND TIPS.

Yah, agreed. I had one guy with barely 2mil SP in RIGID just go out in a low-skill Comet fit one day and bust an '06 in a T2 fit PVP Rifter. It doesn't take four months at all, it takes the right attitude on the part of the learner, and the right encouragement on the part of the teacher(s). This isn't Skill Queues Online.