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War Decs as a griefing tool

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#821 - 2014-09-12 02:51:02 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:


So are you going to claim that stations aren't a "safe haven" protecting you from harm?




Okay, since you aren't reading the post I edited, or just ignoring it, I'll link this again. No, being docked in stations is not safe.

Now run along and stop being a twit.

Being docked not engaging in others is perfectly safe. Nothing in that video shows a person docked up avoiding contact with others. I did see a lot of non consensual "pvp" though which re-enforces my point that highsec isn't safe and that being in a NPC corp doesn't provide a "massive amount of protection".


Then you didn't watch it all. The guy scammed a plex for 420,000, back when they were averaging 420mil. Yep, nothing dangerous about getting scammed in a trade.

The argument was never "stations should be removed." It was never said, and you never quoted it, you just injected it into the intention of his argument so you could strawman him. That makes you more than a little pretentious but if I needed proof of it, it'd be your continued insistence of your righteousness even after being demonstrably called out on it. You are persistent though, aren't you. Right now, you remind me of this guy.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Vyl Vit
#822 - 2014-09-12 02:56:06 UTC
Tools use war decs to grief.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#823 - 2014-09-12 02:59:17 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Tools use war decs to grief.


Tools are quite useful. Why you gotta be liek dat? I have a power drill here getting ready for some cabling this afternoon that's all moody now after reading that... What?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Bullock Brawn
Doomheim
#824 - 2014-09-12 05:50:25 UTC
Ignore them, most everyone in EVE PVP is looking for an exploit and have almost zero interest in any real challenge..... just skill and play something else. don't post, don't evemail them, don't flight them, don't hire anyone, don't fly cheap ships, etc..., etc...... they don't exist.

There are tons of other fun games similar to EVE (Starpoint Gemini 2 is pretty fun).... until you can play your version of EVE.

Eve is a spaceship game and shouldn't be taken seriously. Unfortunately, it's the only lasting game of interest in this genre, but in doses of a few hours a week at most.

Since you're new, I'm giving you good advice.... don't get caught up in playing this game any more than part time, otherwise you'll wonder where your life went... and only beat up any interest in enjoyment.

It's the worst game online to find any sort of balance, CCP just doesn't care about PVP for the solo player.... and is just now getting interested in PVE with the burner missions.

I just log in now to post my disapproval..

Best.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#825 - 2014-09-12 06:02:15 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:


So are you going to claim that stations aren't a "safe haven" protecting you from harm?




Okay, since you aren't reading the post I edited, or just ignoring it, I'll link this again. No, being docked in stations is not safe.

Now run along and stop being a twit.

Being docked not engaging in others is perfectly safe. Nothing in that video shows a person docked up avoiding contact with others. I did see a lot of non consensual "pvp" in another video though which re-enforces my point that highsec isn't safe and that being in a NPC corp doesn't provide a "massive amount of protection".



EDIT : Ah yes the insult the last resort of the disarmed.


No you are not safe in stations as I can still get you while you are docked.
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#826 - 2014-09-12 06:19:13 UTC
I don't agree with whiners, in general. But YOU, sir, seem like you could use some help!
Corporations are, let's say, clans. These "clans" constantly compete for money, resources, political power and so on. You'll always have these PvP corps that will look for smaller fish in the pond (you, for example) and they will take pleasure in fattening their killboard off of your ships.
My corporation is always getting war-decs from sissy PvP corps. They're sissies because whenever I am in highsec for business and other affairs, they only kill me when they are sure that they will win. Came to Jita in an Ibis and some Loki almost killed me. I then undocked in a Drake and the idiot ran like hell. Shortly afterwards 5 cruisers came into the system to noobpile me.
If you're in a highsec corp, IMMEDIATELY swap to a nullsec one. In null, you're always on alliance turf, any neutral / hostile player that approaches your territory will not get too far and you always have friendly players. You have an abundance of rare asteroiads like Crokite and Arkonor, and you also have a large variety of rat sites to pick from, thus giving you a huge amount of money. Ratting in a Battlecruiser will earn you, say, 50 million a day. Ratting in a Carrier will give you 150 million a day. And, nullsec is much more profitable than highsec as you probably know.

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
Prince Kobol
#827 - 2014-09-12 06:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Robert Sawyer wrote:

My corporation is always getting war-decs from sissy PvP corps. They're sissies because whenever I am in highsec for business and other affairs, they only kill me when they are sure that they will win.


This is no different from nearly every other fight regardless of space.

In nearly every fight one side will have the belief that the odds are in their favour.

Robert Sawyer wrote:


Came to Jita in an Ibis and some Loki almost killed me. I then undocked in a Drake and the idiot ran like hell. Shortly afterwards 5 cruisers came into the system to noobpile me.



If you are under war dec and decide to go to Jita then you deserved to be attacked. That why Merc corps constantly war dec null sec alliances because there is always that guy who will fly to Jita thinking he can just sneak past and boom.. dead ship.

The kill boards are full of null sec carebears going boom in Jita.

Robert Sawyer wrote:


If you're in a highsec corp, IMMEDIATELY swap to a nullsec one. In null, you're always on alliance turf, any neutral / hostile player that approaches your territory will not get too far and you always have friendly players. You have an abundance of rare asteroiads like Crokite and Arkonor, and you also have a large variety of rat sites to pick from, thus giving you a huge amount of money. Ratting in a Battlecruiser will earn you, say, 50 million a day. Ratting in a Carrier will give you 150 million a day. And, nullsec is much more profitable than highsec as you probably know.



Whilst I would not disagree about moving to null or low sec I can see why people do prefer to live and fight in High Sec. Also personally, I would players rather stay in HS or go to low then become another renter.

Sorry to say but you guys are even worse then most High Sec carebears Big smile

There is nothing wrong in staying in High Sec, There is nothing wrong if people just want to mission and mine in High Sec or do what ever they want to do in High Sec.

High Sec is not the problem.

On a side note, the numbers you have listed is another reason why not to bother going to null but that is for a different thread.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#828 - 2014-09-12 09:02:36 UTC
Lord Nukington wrote:
Having learned a lot in a short time thanks to this thread, I see I was wrong about a few (more than a few things.)
Firstly: Just because I don't like being the victim of a play style (Not saying I don't like the playstyle itself, because who knows, a few months or years down the road I may find myself trying it) that doesn't make it griefing.

Secondly, coming on here to whine isn't going to do me any favors on a social level or fix my problem, even though in this case it did net me a wealth of knowledge.

Third: **** this game is complex. I mean, damn. Also: I didn't know the difference between killing and podding (I thought podding was destroying your ship while leaving you in a pod, while killing was in turn destroying that pod. Guess I had it backwards.)

I'm not going to delete my post, I believe in posterity and learning from my mistakes, and this thread was indeed a wealth of knowledge. May it serve as benefit to others as well.


I like this guy

+1

And /thread

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave stark
#829 - 2014-09-12 09:08:46 UTC
I like this.

we have "wardecs are trival to avoid." threads.
and we have "wardecs are griefing tools." threads.

only one of these can be true.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#830 - 2014-09-12 09:27:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
I like this.

we have "wardecs are trival to avoid." threads.
and we have "wardecs are griefing tools." threads.

only one of these can be true.


Best bit is that one of the loudest anti wardec posters here is also whining that wardecs are useless in another thread.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#831 - 2014-09-12 10:36:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Best bit is that one of the loudest anti wardec posters here is also whining that wardecs are useless in another thread.
Both of those can be true. The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord. For that reason the main use of them is to grief people who stand no chance of retaliating. Fixing them would involve giving them meaning, giving them purpose, beyond just "I don;t want to lose my ship to concord when I gank that guy".

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#832 - 2014-09-12 10:41:49 UTC
Quote:
retaliating


*Thread intensifies*

CONCORD in an "idealised" HighSec world: There was a ganker sitting on top of the station, so we nuked the station

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#833 - 2014-09-12 11:03:59 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Quote:
retaliating


*Thread intensifies*

CONCORD in an "idealised" HighSec world: There was a ganker sitting on top of the station, so we nuked the station
?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#834 - 2014-09-12 11:46:38 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord.


That's what they are for.

What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Police.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#835 - 2014-09-12 11:50:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord.


That's what they are for.

What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Old Testament God.


FTFY

CONCORD are not police

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#836 - 2014-09-12 11:51:44 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
The way I see it, wardecs are pretty pointless right now, nothing more than a tool to switch off concord.


That's what they are for.

What else would they do? They exist as a mechanism to facilitate combat in highsec specifically without the interference of the Infallible Magic Space Old Testament God.


FTFY

CONCORD are not police


If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#837 - 2014-09-12 11:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.


I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday...

Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#838 - 2014-09-12 12:20:04 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.


I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday...

Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing


Comet.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#839 - 2014-09-12 12:21:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.


I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday...

Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing


Comet.


Isnt that a GalPol ship?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#840 - 2014-09-12 13:15:34 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


If they've got flashing red and blue lights, they're cops.


I was arrested by a Coast Guard landrover yesterday...

Also, I havent seen this on any CONCORD that waxed me before? Maybe its a graphics setting thing


This seems like an interesting story.