EVE General Discussion

You took this as an insult?

I was just making an observation of demonstrated behaviour. Sorry if you felt offended.

I have mentioned the counter. It's called dropping into an NPC corp.
The suggestion is that there are solutions beyond that. Yet the solutions you have offered are highly irregular. They certainly would not work for a group like Red Frog.



Oh, I completely agree. It's actually pathetic, I've seen players that are 5+ years old whine about being suicide ganked. I even saw one idiot whine that he was killed hauling through lowsec.
The worst though: This guy I ganked in 0.5 space once. He lost a 300mil pod. After fuming about it he decided to jump into lowsec in a Drake and try to kill me. Someone else caught him on the gate and killed him instead. I have never seen him log in again after that (watchlist).

The problem is anytime someone has a complaint, idea or suggestion that would decrease aggression the assumption becomes that they are such a player. It's not necessarily true.




That is indeed insane. I am certainly not taking the position that wardecs are griefing. Rather I am stating NPC corps (and perhaps player corps of similar restrictions) are necessary to maintain some level of order within high-sec.

I am very open to nerfing the crap out of them to compensate though. Hell, nerf the crap out of high-sec in general.

I'm now completely lost in this thread,

1. First OP complains about Wardec

2.Then People come and let him a ton of info about them

3.OP retracts his statement, and learns. This has to be the first I've actually seen this.

4. Lucas finds his way in

5. Other Lucas like people find their way here,

6. Massive amount of arguing/debating between intelligent people, and some not so intelligent.

7. Veers finds his way here,

8. Lucas comes back, Lucas likes are still here.

9. I don't know what the **** is going on anymore.

10. Help.

Calling someone an Idiot doesn't mean you're mad,

It merely means you find the person you are talking to be unintelligent. Calling someone a name that you find describes them does not necessarily mean you are mad. Maybe calling someone ******* ******** is the only way to properly describe the level of stupidity they've reached.

Let's take it further.

50% tax.
50% reduction in loot value.
50% reduction in LP.
50% reduction in mining cycle time.
50% reduction in change for escalation.
etc

Then fix player corp exploits. No dec dodging. If you drop corp in war, you are flagged for the remainder of the week and can still be shot by the deccers.

These are all pro-PVP changes. In exchange for such I think it's important to have the ability to create player corps of a similar nature to NPC corps, purely as a means of creating easy-to-recruit, easy-to-manage social groups. Those groups, when confident, can then upgrade to real corps and enjoy the benefits of such at the cost of increased risk.

You are giving them that choice.

Stay in a lower level corp, and take a 50% hit on all income. No POS. No hangars. No wardecs, no AWOXing.
Stay in a higher level corp, and return to standard income levels. POS. Hangars. Wardecs, AWOXing.

I think this idea offers the best of both worlds. It's not even my idea though. I think it was Mangala Solaris who first suggested something roughly like this.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again.


EVE is a game about choice when it all comes down to it, its the main driving force of EVE. And your choices should have full effect on you.



There should not be, a safe haven, or partial safe haven, where a player can not be harmed. His actions should have full repercussions, and he should be held liable for his actions if he is not capable of prevent them from happening to him.


NPC corps give a massive amount of protection. Wardecs should be avoid not by dropping corp, but either by learning to play the game from a PVP aspect. or learning how to avoid them without dropping your corp. It isn't about E-honor, or anything like that.


Fundamentally dropping to a NPC removes choice and action from the game, and it shouldn't be allowed.


EDIT: I can also get behind what Steppa has suggested. A sort of social club rather than a real corp.

Well, in my view, one of the choices should be to stay in highsec and avail yourself of your CONCORD allies, and so I would oppose any change that would force players into wars that they don't want to fight. Now obviously, there are some costs to avoiding the war (whether its NPC corp, or 1-man corp that you need to disband). Forcing everyone into wars would actually reduce player choice.

Actually it would open choice.


You seem to be forgetting EVE is a sandbox. I can make a choice that affects you that you may not like. You can do the same to me, but you should not be able to avoid the responsibility for your actions with a safety net that the NPC corps currently are.

By allowing players to drop to a NPC corp, to avoid a wardec, you are giving the defending player an easily onclick button to avoid another players choice. No risk, as soon as the notification drops, you drop.

If I wardec you I pay 50mil at the minimum, then I risk my ship and pod, in order to kill you. I've seen plenty of Wardecs go bad because the defending corp knew what they were doing.

Also CONCORD is not there for protection. It's there for punishment. Saying CONCORD is an ally is silly because they don't protect you. They simply stop the offending player's actions.

I got an Eye-patch and you didn't even notice. =(