EVE General Discussion

I think the question in this thread was if there is an appopriate way to shield highsec non-pvp corps from the detrimental effects of being wardeced from someone terrifying like Marmite, etc... Personally I don't see any viable way to do that, nor do I think that it is necessary to do so.

That's because this game is not for you, and this would suits those it is for just fine, it could only make the game better for its intended audience.

Problem I see there is, backing a niche game into an even more niche market.

Yep, big part of the playerbase is casual high sec carebears. Forcing them into hopeless wars to get slaughtered would not be great for retention. On the other hand compromising wardecs to protect them would also not be great. They have a choice - learn to fight off the wardecs, or drop corp and seek safety in npc corp. It's always good to let people make important decisions.

You're right, of course, and I'm assisting one of these 'casual high sec carebears' right now that have been forced into 'hopeless war'. Only, you fail to consider how many of that majority player base is actually capable of adapting. Just because there's a lot of loud screaming and foot stomping on the forums from carebears in opposition to PVP in highsec, it doesn't mean that's the majority carebear opinion. In fact, the newbro carebear I'm assisting is reading this forum right now and agreeing with me - he thinks you're soft and need to go back to WOW. And he came to this decision on his own, with no coaxing from me at all.

For a business to target a smaller section of the market than it already has, is by no means a good thing.

Strangely enough those aspects of EVE are what attract a lot of the PvEers into high-sec. Of course if high-sec was to change to be similar to 0.0, you would lose most of those players.

You're not happy with playing EVE, though. You've made that quite clear. You don't want to play EVE at all, not as it is. You're still suggesting making it something it's not and was never intended to be, because when you log into the EVE I'm playing, you accept the threat of wardecs, especially if you're in a player corp.

By restricting yourself to an NPC corp, you're only limiting the game available to you, and you do that to yourself. That's why I don't care about NPC corps, because when you're in one, you simply can't put a tower up on my moons for example, and you can't wardec me. I, however, can still suicide gank your mining ships if I don't like the look of you. You are irrelevant. When you're in an NPC corp, you might as well be an NPC yourself, that's how irrelevant you are to EVE.

Sure, by targeting people with plenty of cash. Make more exclusive products aimed at a rich market.

Only way to make more money out of a shrinking market is to squeeze more out of your customers.

Why do you go out of your way to be a pretentious shitstain? Don't put words in my ******* mouth, read the words I wrote - I never said MY EVE, I said, the EVE I PLAY. It's the same EVE you play. What you want is something else. And no, based on what you've said here, you do not enjoy EVE as it is. I don't care, at the end of the day, how you choose to restrict yourself in a PVP environment, but don't go pretending that it's not a PVP environment and don't expect it to change to suit the people who want it to not be a PVP environment, because they don't want to play EVE, they want something else.

EVE is a PVP environment, that is the bottom line, and anyone who wants something else is playing the wrong game. Is this point clear yet? Are you going to dodge it with some more rhetoric about how restricting your game experience can save you from PVP?

Because that's all you're doing, restricting your own experience. Even if that's all you want, personally, this is not the sort of thing you tell newbs that want more. "Hey, you don't like PVP, that's cool, as long as you restrict yourself from 90% of what EVE has to offer, you'll never have to do any."