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War Decs as a griefing tool

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Kurosaki Rukia
The House of Flying Stabbers
#361 - 2014-08-30 04:02:07 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

1. Of course there is. A 2 man industrial corp for example would stand no chance of fighting a 500 man merc corp


But they could avoid doing whatever it is that pissed someone off enough to hire a 500 man merc corp against them in the first place. :D
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#362 - 2014-08-30 04:19:22 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
but I don';t see the problem with people waning to play the game in whatever way they want.


If the way they want to play the game runs contrary to the sandbox, then I see a problem with it.

Such as "I should be safe even if I put zero effort into defending myself", yeah, I have a huge problem with those people. Because they are setting their willingness to play the game being based entirely on the elimination of several other playstyles, and that is just despicable.

Basically, people who try and use their subscription to hold other people's gameplay hostage, those are the people I have a problem with.

Figure it out yet? Or are you still going to pound the tired old drum about theoretical newbies with bad attitudes being told where they can go stick their attitude?

Speaking of which, I would love to know the genesis of your recent carebear advocacy. I bet it's something just heartbreaking.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#363 - 2014-08-30 04:41:47 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
What I mostly disagree with though is someone having a hard time with the game, then having 200 morons crawling out of the woodwork screaming insults at them and telling them to get over it or quit.
Is this meant to characterise this thread? Have you even read the edited OP?

Actually, you probably have, because you stepped in and took up his mantle the moment he actually listened and changed his view.

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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2014-08-30 05:25:12 UTC
What is this war dec you speak of?
Solecist Project
#365 - 2014-08-30 07:59:39 UTC
Please, everyone, grief me as hard as you can ...
... wardec my corp ...
... and try to make me leave the game.

I dare you ........

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Sykaotic
Doomheim
#366 - 2014-08-30 08:16:34 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
move to lowsec or null and avoid fake pvpers


Am I actually on the Eve Official forums or is this some Twilight Zone like dream induced by just getting out of the hospital with pneumonia? (Yeah just got out).

Normally this question brings out all the asshats (Hi Sec Pvpers aka players who do not have the balls or motivation to do real Pvp in low or null sec aka the losers you see in all mmorpgs that basically are lazy bums who prey on easy targets.

While a merc corp is a shot back, many will not even show up and just keep your isk ( On a side-note -Mentally Assured Destruction is truly the only one that ever showed up for me and they will get the job done). But this is just a shot back and will not stop the lazy pseudo Pvpers so dont waste your isk.

Keep in mind the strategy to get "bears" to man up and pvp is merely a propaganda campaign to blow up your ships and herd you into the pvp fodder cannon.

Do what you want.

Want Pvp? Go to null or low... dont need a damn corp either. Want to do missions or exploration? Stay NPC.

Dont listen to the sheep hearders. I mean look at this guy.... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chribba_(Character)#About_Chribba

To wit: " To this day Chribba has been the sole pilot of both the corporation and alliance, rumors are the corp/alliance chat is very quiet."

Good luck... and amazed at the change of tone in this thread as to how Eve Forums usually are.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#367 - 2014-08-30 08:16:52 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Speaking of which, I would love to know the genesis of your recent carebear advocacy. I bet it's something just heartbreaking.


It started just after this article by The Mittani

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Kurosaki Rukia
The House of Flying Stabbers
#368 - 2014-08-30 08:41:29 UTC
Sykaotic wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
move to lowsec or null and avoid fake pvpers


Am I actually on the Eve Official forums or is this some Twilight Zone like dream induced by just getting out of the hospital with pneumonia? (Yeah just got out).

Normally this question brings out all the asshats (Hi Sec Pvpers aka players who do not have the balls or motivation to do real Pvp in low or null sec aka the losers you see in all mmorpgs that basically are lazy bums who prey on easy targets.

While a merc corp is a shot back, many will not even show up and just keep your isk ( On a side-note -Mentally Assured Destruction is truly the only one that ever showed up for me and they will get the job done). But this is just a shot back and will not stop the lazy pseudo Pvpers so dont waste your isk.

Keep in mind the strategy to get "bears" to man up and pvp is merely a propaganda campaign to blow up your ships and herd you into the pvp fodder cannon.

Do what you want.

Want Pvp? Go to null or low... dont need a damn corp either. Want to do missions or exploration? Stay NPC.

Dont listen to the sheep hearders. I mean look at this guy.... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chribba_(Character)#About_Chribba

To wit: " To this day Chribba has been the sole pilot of both the corporation and alliance, rumors are the corp/alliance chat is very quiet."

Good luck... and amazed at the change of tone in this thread as to how Eve Forums usually are.


"Real PVPers"? Last time I met you Sykaotic you were in a 108 man "Real PVP" corp that decced a 3 man PVP corp over a thrasher, and got anhialated to the tune of 8 billion by the very same highsec wardec "fake pvp" corp that was the original cause of this very thread. Ironic I know.
Kurosaki Rukia
The House of Flying Stabbers
#369 - 2014-08-30 08:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kurosaki Rukia
*snip* accidental double post
Solecist Project
#370 - 2014-08-30 08:43:23 UTC
Weak minds tend to speak in terms of "real pvp"
because it accustomes their inflated, weak egos so much.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Valkin Mordirc
#371 - 2014-08-30 09:53:47 UTC
Sykaotic wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
move to lowsec or null and avoid fake pvpers


Am I actually on the Eve Official forums or is this some Twilight Zone like dream induced by just getting out of the hospital with pneumonia? (Yeah just got out).

Normally this question brings out all the asshats (Hi Sec Pvpers aka players who do not have the balls or motivation to do real Pvp in low or null sec aka the losers you see in all mmorpgs that basically are lazy bums who prey on easy targets.

While a merc corp is a shot back, many will not even show up and just keep your isk ( On a side-note -Mentally Assured Destruction is truly the only one that ever showed up for me and they will get the job done). But this is just a shot back and will not stop the lazy pseudo Pvpers so dont waste your isk.

Keep in mind the strategy to get "bears" to man up and pvp is merely a propaganda campaign to blow up your ships and herd you into the pvp fodder cannon.

Do what you want.

Want Pvp? Go to null or low... dont need a damn corp either. Want to do missions or exploration? Stay NPC.

Dont listen to the sheep hearders. I mean look at this guy.... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chribba_(Character)#About_Chribba

To wit: " To this day Chribba has been the sole pilot of both the corporation and alliance, rumors are the corp/alliance chat is very quiet."

Good luck... and amazed at the change of tone in this thread as to how Eve Forums usually are.


Real PVP is only in lowsec huh, So a lowsec corp can totally own a highsec Merc corp in highsec?

https://zkillboard.com/war/370433/

Did you somehow forget how Abysmal and Son's of Plunder ripped your corp apart? A War that went to lowsec and highsec? 
#DeleteTheWeak
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#372 - 2014-08-30 10:14:36 UTC
Oh, to everyone here.

There is no "real PvP" and "fake PvP". Just PvP.

And unless you somehow live off the ammo from NPC drops and make your own ships from NPC bought plans and minerals refined from loot drops, therefore being totally self reliant, the entire game is PvP in some way or another.

There is the game. That's it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#373 - 2014-08-30 10:53:23 UTC
Note to self, investigate viability of "space hobo" playstyle.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#374 - 2014-08-30 11:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story

Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#375 - 2014-08-30 11:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Lucas Kell wrote:
But that still doesn't change the fact that if a wardeccer ONLY decs targets that can't possibly fight back, the fact that none of there targets can fight back isn't the fault of the targets, it's the target selection criteria. It's like if you only pick rotten apples out of a batch, it's not the apples fault that all of your apples are rotten.


Except apples don't choose to be rotten, but in EVE Online it's your choice if you want to be weak and defenseless or not. Everyone is capable of fighting back because everyone is capable of training the same skills and coming together in groups. There is no "class" system. The playing field is level.

Lucas Kell wrote:
A 2 man industrial corp for example would stand no chance of fighting a 500 man merc corp


First of all, in this scenario it's still their choice to be a 2 man Industrial corp. It's their choice to be "defenseless".

Second of all, you have it backwards. In practice, it's usually the 2 man PvP corp wardecing the 500 man Industrial alliance. And because the 500 man Industrial alliance chooses to be defenseless, the 2 man PvP corp usually owns the field.

Lucas Kell wrote:
the fact is that some people do not have the skills, either character or personal to fight back.


Again, that's choice. You choose what skills to train.

Lucas Kell wrote:
It is funny though that you think that you get to decide if any crap is going to fly in this community, as if I'm supposed to care what you think, even remotely. You've pretty much guaranteed that I'll never take you seriously since you appear to be unable to comprehend basic English and leap to conclusions faster than flies on ****.

But please, continue to misunderstand posts and screech like a child. It's pretty hilarious to read.


You care because you're replying in an emotionally charged manner. Also thank you for making my day; the best type of irony is the unintentional type, and you're a master at that. :)

In conclusion, Lucas... it doesn't seem you know what you're talking about most of the time. Your entire argument is based on nothing more than hyperbole and the hypothetical. "What if is this, what if that, here's some numbers I made up." I mean honestly what do you really have to go on except your feeeeeeliiiiiiings on the subject?

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#376 - 2014-08-30 11:31:07 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story


Au contraire, there are some pretty awesome stories of HiSec content creation.

Lan Wang wrote:
Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between


They're already making plenty of great content in HiSec, why should they move?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Solecist Project
#377 - 2014-08-30 11:32:42 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story

Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between


Here we have another example of someone who draws his self worth from what s/he believes is "true PvP".

Please note that these people do indeed believe they are better ...
... as they put themselves into the group of "true" ones ...
... while they put the others into the "false".

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#378 - 2014-08-30 11:38:04 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
*a post completely missing all points*
You seem to still be arguing against something I'm not stating. I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless, because they choose their targets specifically because they are defenseless. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp so I don;t know why you seem to be struggling.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#379 - 2014-08-30 11:40:55 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Fake pvp is ...


... a term you use to attempt to apply a negative label to behavior you want to be illegitimate.

But it's not illegitimate, no matter how much you lot try to point fingers and shame.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#380 - 2014-08-30 11:43:01 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless


No, that's not their fault either.

It's CCP's fault, because of the way the wardec pricing scheme works right now.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.