EVE General Discussion

And then what would you do, to die right at 4-4 or run forsaken hubs the whole week?

i would get a bunch of newbees in throw away frigates and have a highsec roam

First of all, no one actually does that.

Second of all, I refuse to believe that you are unaware of what a huge category error the two are.




Deliberately misunderstanding my point does not, in fact, defeat it.

It still stands on it's own, since you can only manage to defeat some wildly hyperbolic caricature of what my point actually is.

So here, let's break this down Barney style.

You claim that gankers using disposable ships is risk aversion.

It is not, it is smart gameplay, and managing and mitigating risk.

Refusing to undock is risk aversion. It is risk aversion because it would rather not play the game at all, than take steps to mitigate and manage risk.

Risk management manages and mitigates risk.

Risk aversion refuses to do those things.

And they all lived happily ever after, The End.

You are right, I'm not unaware. So when I say most wardeccers are risk averse because they only take odds where they are 99% sure of success, I do NOT mean they mitigate the risk, I mean they are bunch of cowardly asshats. This is an incredibly long and poinltess argument that boils down to wardeccers not like being called risk averse even though most of them are.

I think you've massively misread this (especially since I never once said that gankers using disposable ships is risk aversion). Let me explain:
I claimed that wardeccers refusing to undock for anything but sure successes are risk averse. Some asshat didn't like that term so started going on about how it's risk mitigation. You seem to agree with me as highlighted above, so I'm not sure why there's even an argument about it.

You really have no imagination

Most Wardeccers ARE two man corps and they dec the BIGGEST corps they can find.

You actually have me convinced you have not got the first clue about what you are talking about.


Yeah, its a real effort to put your cloak on. Hurts my arm just lifting it to click the mouse.


Not in a good one you dont. But maybe yours isnt a good one.

Lol. Yes, I see those 2 man wardeca all the time. You can keep arguing it all you want to, but the fact is that some people do not have the skills, either character or personal to fight back. If you don;t believe that to be true, then that's your failing, so stop projecting.

So people should just stop playing and cloak up when they are attacked? Wh ynot just join an NPOC corp? That way they can continue playing the game they like. See your problem is you only look at this from your point of view. Some people don;t want to spend their time playing a game running around and hiding or fighting people, and they shouldn't be forced to because this is a game.

lol, there's so much stupid in this part it's unreal. Do you really think people are going to be convinced that by joining a player run corp people are suddenly immune to all forms of ganking, scamming, etc, even though they are in fact open to wardec and awoxes in addition to every other type of negative interaction?

WHat am I projecting? If its my opinion that its not impossible for anyone to learn how to fight, which is what you said, ten yes, I am projecting that opinion. Because its a fricking fact.



See, the thing is you are being obtuse now to troll. And Im sorry but you are the only one buying your really blinkered argument.
Have an ounce of wit.



Are you actuially simple?

In a GOOD CORP new players are taught how not to get scammed, how not to die in a war and how to avoid being ganked. Their CEO makes sure AWOXing is made virtually impossible.

If you dont understand that, then you are THE SHITTEST CEO this side of Joe Phoenix

Yeah, it actually completely refutes that "fact", since your only actual example was something you made up on the spot.

You're just spouting off carebear talking points at this point, and you aren't at all interested in the realities of the game.

"Gankers are evil, wardecs make people quit, PvP shouldn't happen in highsec because new players" and all those other lies.

I didn't say they can't LEARN to fight though did I? I said they CANT fight back. Of course they can learn, but they probably don't want to. NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO PLAY THE GAME THE SAME WAY YOU DO. Is that clear enough for you to understand?

I've never seen a single corp where all members are immune to all forms of negative interaction. Even if such a place does exist, the majority of the playerbase (which is what we are discussing here) do not have access to it, so it's irrelevant.

Joining an NPC corp is a sound and valid tactic. You don't like it, and that's fair enough, but it's very effective and requires minimal effort.

No, I totally accept that no nerf will be coming even though my opinions on the matter remain the same (and in fact are only strengthened by CCP shutting down their SF office). But I hereby declare there shall be no nerfs.

Clear enough?

Most wardeccers are still risk averse. They do not want to lose their 95+% isk efficiency, so they use neutral logi and only undock when they significantly outgun their enemies.

And at no point did I ever say carebears weren't risk averse either. I'm even suggesting the most risk averse solution to avoiding wardecs, on purpose.

Regarding my opinions though, I don't want high sec to be totally safe, or even globally safer, but I don';t see the problem with people waning to play the game in whatever way they want. If they want to avoid all combat, then they by all means should, and if someone wants to try to kill them, they can too. What I mostly disagree with though is someone having a hard time with the game, then having 200 morons crawling out of the woodwork screaming insults at them and telling them to get over it or quit. It's a game which a lot of people take way too seriously, and the new player experience sucks beyond belief mainly because many people that play this game are assholes that don't like outsiders who don't agree with their every opinion. Rather than responding like adults, they choose to respond like 12 year olds, and so I'll continue to poke them with a very large stick until they either shut up or divert all of their attention towards personally attacking me, at which point I'm clearly victorious.