EVE General Discussion

The fabled bigger market of casual players doesn't exist.

You don't have to play their way or pvp. You do have to learn ways to play around it and protect yourself. Eve is a single shard huge open world where everything can be interacted with; including you. Quite frankly if eve ever lost that the entire game would collapse as it's not very good on a fundamental game play level.

If they want more subs they just need to start marketing heavier in korea, they love the hardcore winner take all style of game.

Working as intended then. It's can't be said enough, EVE is a game for self starters and social people (ie people who recognize the value of other people's experience). It's not like other MMOS (thank God and/or Icleandic pagan God for that) that are basicalyl single player experiences in a multiplayer backdrop.

The self starter can come in and learn by loads of trial and error. The social person can come in and make friends and be taught what to do. The only ones who lose out are the 'isolated loners' and that's how it should be as this game is not meant for them (again, like most of the MMO/video game world is).

Nothing personal against you, I just can't completely agree with you. Up until a few months ago almost all of my skills were dedicated towards mission running, mining, and science and industry. I was recruited into the fold of the Holy Inquisitors of HTFU due to my beliefs, not my skills... and am still but an apprentice. The ships I fly in pvp generally run about 15mil fully fit and I kind of consider those to be pretty shiny IMO, but we aim for effectiveness. I've been blapped by characters who were only a little over a year old and i'm an eight and a half year old character. ultimately there's a finite amount of SP any character can bring to bear when flying any one ship.... a well focused newbie who has their head on straight can challenge or defeat a bittervet if they're tricksy and have a fit that counters the vet's.

Why must you group ganking, AWOXing, and scamming together? It's a common theme I see amongst the defenders of the status quo. It likely lends itself as the main reason you guys fail to see the point here.

Ganking does not circumvent usual high-sec mechanics. Scamming does not circumvent usual high-sec mechanics. AWOXing does. Wardecs do too.

Players are choosing to live in high-sec because they enjoy the risk/reward model of it. They look at the way CONCORD reacts to aggression and they accept being the hunted under such mechanics. AWOXing and Wardecs turn high-sec into low-sec; if these players desired that experience, guess where they'd be living?

NPC corps are not stopping players from learning and experiencing new things in New Eden. The inability to join thriving high-sec corps is, because there are no thriving high-sec corps. There's only highly PVP focused corps and large learning corps like Eve-UNI. AWOXing and Wardeccing are the reasons to blame for this.

If you don't think this is a problem, consider the state of Red Frog Freight or Push Industries. These are the largest courier groups in game, and they don't actually use their corps for their service. Guess what corps they use for hauling? That's right.... NPC corps. I wonder why that is?

There needs to be a way to group with players without putting yourself at risk for AWOX or wardec. Without it the most logical choice as a non-PVPing high-sec player is to be in an NPC corp. If you want people to join AWOXable, wardeccable corps, give them a reason to. There isn't any right now when the only benefit is socializing, something you can do anyways in one of the dozen chat rooms your average player - even NPC dweller - has open.

And this is true. There is no comparison between now and when I started in 2007. Hell, it doesn't even matter what race you pick now, you don't have to train learning skills for weeks/months, ship info has little tabs that tell you what you need to train to fly the ship. Tech1 frigates and cruisers are more than just "those crappy ships you fly till you can fly a battlecrusier or tech2 ship", it takes MUCH less time to train up to something useful and on and on.

People complaining about the new player experience are like the kids who started school after the advent of automobiles, if you think your bus ride to school sucks, try the same route on a 3 legged Donkey in the snow uphill both ways like we had it.

It can't because the things you need to do to cater to one group would alienate the other.

And no, "more players" is not necessarily a good thing. More players could mean more people putting financial pressure on CCP to dumb the game down to cater to their whims. EVERY game I've played that tried to cater to both casuals and hardcore players failed. A game must have a focus if it's to be a good game.

What you are saying is the same as asking "why doesn't Spago not have a Dollar Menu?".

The answer is "Because it's Spago". Replace the word Spago with EVE and there you have it.

While mechanically it was tougher, the playerbase was different back then. You rarely had to worry about being ganked and didn't have to worry about multiple groups wardeccing every corp they saw, and code didn't even exist.

One mechanic which is often used by gankers and the like now was much tougher back in the day though is scanning. It was an absolute mission back then, and now it's drag-drop.

All that would do is make hauling corporations next to impossible. It wouldn't increase interaction, since those industries couldn't exist in that environment. They'd be under constant wardec from multiple groups looking for easy kills. The only way they'd be able to do it is by using thousands of one man corps and concealing their identities.

So this again is just another example of why wardec mechanics need to change in order for people to be able to move out of NPC corps.

Is your imagination so limited?