EVE General Discussion

It takes like 3 days from scratch to train cloak, less if you already have electronics skills for your mining ship.

There are always alternatives to dropping corp or fighting pointlessly, two things that the Wardeccers want you to do, BTW

Lol, I do find that amusing. My favourite part is "The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.". Nothing about EVE is dark and gritty. Being a criminal no longer takes skill or effort, you can just leap about ganking and awoxing with relative ease and with absolutely no consequences. The problem is that EVEs new definition of "dark and gritty" is just "the ability to gank noobs". When I started playing, I joined it for that reason, but it was all smoke and mirrors, and it's got worse. You don't ever have to commit to anything.

And we'll see how much they stick to that when they hit the next set of layoffs.

No, I am not. I'm saying the recruiting of new players overall is on the decline, which includes your "social free-thinkers".

LOL, show me WHERE then. Where did I say "a noob would come along genuinely asking for help then get called an entitled carebear". I didn't, not anywhere. You misread what I wrote and asked a completely different question. You then even quoted me NOT saying it as if I did.

I did.

Im not going to continue this "I didnt" "You did" "I didnt" nonsense with you

Just grow up Mr "slam dunk" ffs

I agree but thats not the way i think of the game its the way i think others will think especially miners and industry players who dont really care for pvp, when i started i lost over 150 frigs before killing a slicer in faction warfare my first ever kill cost over 150 frigates and i done a little dance at home because i was soo happy with myself, i didnt care id engage anything i seen in lowsec but thats what i enjoyed doing i tried mining i nearly quit with boredom after 33 secs of undocking a mining ship my whole thoughts on this game was to enjoy and pvp and i was prepared to use enough rl cash to get that entertainment, but not everyone thinks like that.

I also had a wierd thought that maybe if i just engage all the pirates i could find i may get offered into a corp where i can shoot those huge ships and fight massive battles.

I also dont get the fascination or what people get out of killing things that dont shoot back, nothing better in this game being down to structure and then winning the fight against a target who is giving as good as he is getting

Nice to see where you stand. Not letting people get a foothold in the game and all.

And I'm not saying it's not possible, it's just retardedly hard to do anything meaningful as a new player. Basically if you don't know anyone that plays, you'll probably quit before you find any of the real game content.

In a game where you can do absolutely anything you want, and be anything you want to be, apparently the biggest difficulty for new players are wars that are extremely easy to avoid suffering in.


Noted.

I have this buddy, he's a bear. He's got a 1 man corp... it used to be bigger, but the members have all gone their own separate ways. He worries about wardecs, he worries about being ganked while mission running.
He also doesn't understand how aggression mechanics work, and is basically spooked by his own shadow.
He also wont go to a NPC corp because his one man corp is his baby. It's not worth much, but it's his.

I explain things to him. Dark and dirty things. He offers me his fits, I tell him how they die. We talk, in other words.
After we talk, he has a little less fear. He knows no boogeyman is going to drop out of the shadows to suicide gank his shitfit battlecruiser. He knows that he's not going to be randomly wardecced, because he has nothing worth taking to be honest. Because he's quiet he doesn't offend, well... anyone really.

The point is that these misconceptions that he has are actually somewhat prevalent amongst the bears. People who don't engage in the meta aspects of EVE have a hard time understanding the real truth of the nature of the game. They assume that the moment they step out into the big black by themselves, or with a handful of their friends, a swarm of war-crazed pirates is going to descend upon them in a fit of Kubrikian glee.

They've let their fear of what's truly out there override their desire to achieve, and as such they hide in the warm sheltering embrace of the NPC corps, knowing that while they may never be able to experience all of what EVE has to offer... they are at least safe from THAT.

Unfortunately this also makes them safe from ever truly experiencing the joy of achievement. The elation of actually succeeding at something dangerous and difficult. It also allows them to play lazy, complacent, and stupid.... and it shocks the hell out of them when that habit ends up biting them in the arse... shock leading then to outrage and bitterness. Reality has intruded in a most unwelcome manner.

I'm not a fan of NPC corps because of just this, as I feel that they actually harm the players in them more than they help. That safety net that protects them from wardecs is something that also hinders their own understanding of the universe of New Eden. Tough love is still love, after a point you have to kick them out and force them to find a place for themselves in the universe... otherwise they're just going to keep suckling at the empires' teats and failing to achieve their own potential.

In a gane thats focussed on pvp but also which ever career you try to pursue demands a serious amount of time and effort in skills its not just a easy process and pvp is very expensive so unless you are prepared to spend rl money then people need a career to fund pvp.

This argument can go on forever and nobody will win its just opinion and i personally dont think its nice for a 50mil+ sp player in a t3 to kill a 2 week old player and think they done the right thing