EVE General Discussion

Having learned a lot in a short time thanks to this thread, I see I was wrong about a few (more than a few things.)
Firstly: Just because I don't like being the victim of a play style (Not saying I don't like the playstyle itself, because who knows, a few months or years down the road I may find myself trying it) that doesn't make it griefing.

Secondly, coming on here to whine isn't going to do me any favors on a social level or fix my problem, even though in this case it did net me a wealth of knowledge.

Third: **** this game is complex. I mean, damn. Also: I didn't know the difference between killing and podding (I thought podding was destroying your ship while leaving you in a pod, while killing was in turn destroying that pod. Guess I had it backwards.)

I'm not going to delete my post, I believe in posterity and learning from my mistakes, and this thread was indeed a wealth of knowledge. May it serve as benefit to others as well.

Below is my original post:


I'm a relatively new player (20-ish days) and fell into a corporation that A: Had several of my IRL friends in it, and B: was very friendly and supportive of new people.

Anyway, another corporation, one that seems to be mainly made up of PVP players who have been in the game for several years, declared war on us. Well, they declared war on like ten corporations at once, all of them similar newbie type corporations to us. Well, it's not the first time this has happened, so we did our best to avoid them and try to go about our day.

These guys were absolutely merciless though. We had one player, maybe been in the game for a week, get killed (Not just podded, but killed) 5 times in the course of an hour. Pretty sure he quit the game. They camp out where we have our offices, they seem to always be lurking on our most common routes, and they even sometimes appear out of nowhere 20-ish jumps away from those locations and get is when we're in route doing missions. One guy got me about 17 jumps away while I was doing security missions in Amarr space, I look at his profile and he joined the corp that day, and appeared in my backside. I get away with my pod and he sends me the message "GF bra" then proceeds to stalk the system I'm in until I log out for the night.

However, the back-breaking straw is: The EXACT same minute we get the "retracts war" notification, we also get a "Declares War" notification from another corporation. We look, and it lists the same guys that've been beating the tar out of us as the admins of this corp. Looking at their employment history, it seems the entire group of them have been corp surfing between the same four or five names for a long time, and they use this as a way to "extend" wars and continue to torment the same people.


They don't even loot our remains. They pop in, blow us up, then stalk us. Also, sometimes the game shows them as "offline" in the contacts list (added them to get a "warn list" notification when they come online) but they still show up and kill us.


This is griefing. All they want is to kill new players in high sec, and the game is handing it to them. I honestly don't know what recourse we have left other than buy enough Plex to dump billions of ISK into bounties and hope they get the message.

I hate agreeing with anyone ever, but you are right.

Wars are simply a way to avoid CONCORD. However, it is not griefing as defined in EvE. It is simply hostile competition when done well and downright killfarming when done poorly (by both sides, Id like to point out).

Points you should know

1) They dont just want to kill new players. They want to kill ships and players period.

2) Bounties are worth nothing. NOTHING. Do not waste your isk on them.

3) If wars are cutting into your operations, get an advisor who will not ask to join your corp and will not ask for any of your stuff.

I am available on Eve Mail any time and ingame chat when online. Hit me up for ways to not die anytime and Ill do my best to help.

Donations are gratefully accepted, no matter how small. ( I have no pride)

Wardecs have been used to grief forever.

You have two options to not get repeatedly wardecced.

1) drop corp, they can't wardec npc corps.
2) do not feed them ANY kills. do not feed them ANY tears.

The above is what they feed on. If they keep getting easy kills, they WILL keep deccing you.

If they get zero kills after a week, the dec will get dropped. And they are unlikely to do it again, since they got no kills.

Yes I am posting on my main. I don't care if said "hisec leet pvp group" dec's us.
You are welcome to hunt down the wormhole where we will be.

Good luck with that.

Hire another merc corp like us to war dec them. A good counter wardec will hurt them so much that they will pay to be able to get out of that. CHeck crime and punishment forum for such options.

No legitimate gameplay action is "griefing". Wardecs among them.

You should also know that the way they found you is called a "locator agent", something to look up on. Anyone who cares to use one can find you guys, and believe me, it will keep happening now that you've shown that you give up kills. At this point you can either fight back to try and earn some respect, move to lowsec or a wormhole to get away from them, hire mercs for help, or just drop to an NPC corp.

Another tip? Your corp name is absolutely begging to be wardecced. Lots of people don't like miners, and what's more when they see the word "miner" in your corp name they know that you likely won't defend yourselves in any real way.

There's a third option. Shoot back. That's what my corp did when we got decced by our neighbors. Even won the ISK war I think because they flew bling.

There is another valid option. Not sure why people here does not advocate it more often, ie, move to low security space. More often than not, these leet PvP-er that like to prey on New players confine their ops in highsec. If you move to lowsec, not only you will avoid these type of corps, you will earn higher reward for almost ALL PVE activities that you are running.

I suspect the bad reputation for lowsec are probably as the results of propaganda from these highsec PvP corps to keep all the new players in highsec for their own benefit.

Move to lowsec and you will never turn back anymore..

move to lowsec or null and avoid fake pvpers

Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin. Doesn't matter how many skillpoints you have, you can't fight if you're jammed.