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Why the push to force people to work together?

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metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#21 - 2014-08-27 11:01:37 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Meh.

From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.


"Got a 10/10, anyone wanna come?"

"Sure, let me just get ship/fit ship/take dog out/feed baby/change the spare tyre....."

"Never mind.......*signup new account*"


Second account was made for that one a long time ago. Your baby and family is your problem, stop trying to make it mine as well.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-08-27 11:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
Because MMO companies just don't seem to learn.


Might be because they want to lose more subscriptions.




Basically it comes down to this, if you have content that people can join in with but do not have to join a group to do it then more people seem to be happier with that. Warhammer Online was a good example with their RvR (realm v's realm), yes I know it's a dead game now but it wasn't because of the RvR, but more because of the uneven realm populations.

Forcing people to group to do content just doesn't work because, there's a lot of players that won't join corps/guilds anymore for various reasons. So if content becomes more group orientated all it will do is push more people away from the game.

It's a sandbox, developers shouldn't try to push players into playing the way they want them to play.


As for those that keep saying it's an MMO you should have to group, you're still living in the stone age . MMO communities are much more varied these days.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#23 - 2014-08-27 11:02:33 UTC
metalravenous wrote:

When people could solo sites by orbiting beacons in frigs and getting pay days what risk was there really? More risk means more reward is just CCP catch phrase that actually isn't even true. There are all sorts of activities you can do in this game that are zero to little risk that have high pay outs.


What is the payout for the activity you have quoted? (Operating in Militia Space lowsec where there are other militia ships as well as pirates operating?)

metalravenous wrote:
I don't want to play other games, I like EVE I just don't want to be told non stop that I need to play with others, or have changes put in place that force me to have to. Essentially CCP is being you mom telling you to go play with the other kids when the other kids have behavioral issue like being compulsive liars, kleptomaniacs, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Sure they are people too just doesn't mean I have or want to be their friends.


Have you tried X? It has pretty much everything EvE has without the other people to interact with.

And what things are you being prevented from doing on your own?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#24 - 2014-08-27 11:04:17 UTC
shimiku wrote:
i dont know if MMO is the key word here



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I'm sure that guy is happy you were all there to help him. Look at all his "friends" who whored on the kill as well. Roll
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2014-08-27 11:07:49 UTC
metalravenous wrote:


Because you I don't want to deal with other people?

then why are you playing the game that's famously driven by player interaction in literally every facet.

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#26 - 2014-08-27 11:08:32 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

Wrong.

Burner missions are entirely optional and there is no standing loss for declining them.

Also, obligatory Eve is a multiplayer game. Sure its a sandbox, but stop complaining when someone comes and throws sand in your face because you want to play alone.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#27 - 2014-08-27 11:09:36 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
metalravenous wrote:

When people could solo sites by orbiting beacons in frigs and getting pay days what risk was there really? More risk means more reward is just CCP catch phrase that actually isn't even true. There are all sorts of activities you can do in this game that are zero to little risk that have high pay outs.


What is the payout for the activity you have quoted? (Operating in Militia Space lowsec where there are other militia ships as well as pirates operating?)

metalravenous wrote:
I don't want to play other games, I like EVE I just don't want to be told non stop that I need to play with others, or have changes put in place that force me to have to. Essentially CCP is being you mom telling you to go play with the other kids when the other kids have behavioral issue like being compulsive liars, kleptomaniacs, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Sure they are people too just doesn't mean I have or want to be their friends.


Have you tried X? It has pretty much everything EvE has without the other people to interact with.

And what things are you being prevented from doing on your own?


What I do is my own business and I'm not here to discuss ISK/hour. I am not trying to quantify anything, You are trying to make the point that more risk is more reward and I am saying no and even if it does it doesn't matter because I don't care. I just want to be able to play the game how I want to and how it is fun for me. My point is I don't think CCP should be investing time and resources in trying to push people together when they really don't want to be. It just creates bad feelings and bad Karma.
metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#28 - 2014-08-27 11:11:44 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
metalravenous wrote:


Because you I don't want to deal with other people?

then why are you playing the game that's famously driven by player interaction in literally every facet.


People get married and then stay together because it is just easier. Things don't have to change they just need to not get any worse. Is CCP really looking to keep my business as a player or are they willing to say we don't need you? That is poor customer service.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-08-27 11:12:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
metalravenous wrote:


Because you I don't want to deal with other people?

then why are you playing the game that's famously driven by player interaction in literally every facet.



Driven yeah, but you don't have to group to play it. But if new content is all group orientated then those that don't group will just feel that their subscriptions are not wanted.

Plus it's not easy to group with this game, just finding a good corp is hard enough. Especially as corps in this game are so fussy and nosey.
metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#30 - 2014-08-27 11:13:10 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
metalravenous wrote:
Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

Wrong.

Burner missions are entirely optional and there is no standing loss for declining them.

Also, obligatory Eve is a multiplayer game. Sure its a sandbox, but stop complaining when someone comes and throws sand in your face because you want to play alone.



Burner missions are an example of a larger problem attitude that CCP has.

I am not complaining about sand being thrown in my face I am saying that CCP shouldn't be trying to force me to throw sand in someone else's face and trying to make me think I will some how enjoy it.
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-08-27 11:14:02 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Because MMO companies just don't seem to learn.


Might be because they want to lose more subscriptions.




Basically it comes down to this, if you have content that people can join in with but do not have to join a group to do it then more people seem to be happier with that. Warhammer Online was a good example with their RvR (realm v's realm), yes I know it's a dead game now but it wasn't because of the RvR, but more because of the uneven realm populations.

Forcing people to group to do content just doesn't work because, there's a lot of players that won't join corps/guilds anymore for various reasons. So if content becomes more group orientated all it will do is push more people away from the game.

It's a sandbox, developers shouldn't try to push players into playing the way they want them to play.


As for those that keep saying it's an MMO you should have to group, you're still living in the stone age . MMO communities are much more varied these days.


And with all the solo games out there, why are these people thick skulled enough to play an MMO, where they cant do much alone, when they can be king of the world in some solo game. Seem to me they need to study the word MMO for a bit and find out what the 2 M's stand for... Why join a game and want to change it, just to annoy the people that already play and enjoy it, instead of just going with a solo game from the start?
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#32 - 2014-08-27 11:16:16 UTC
I did 14 months of that oh-so-solo jazz.
I will be bluntly honest and tell you that joining a Corp and working with Peeps on a common goal, absolutely owns all that introverted hermit like game play that Peeps champion as solo.

This is from an extraordinarily shy guy too Big smile

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2014-08-27 11:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
metalravenous wrote:

What I do is my own business and I'm not here to discuss ISK/hour. I am not trying to quantify anything, You are trying to make the point that more risk is more reward and I am saying no and even if it does it doesn't matter because I don't care. I just want to be able to play the game how I want to and how it is fun for me. My point is I don't think CCP should be investing time and resources in trying to push people together when they really don't want to be. It just creates bad feelings and bad Karma.


No, what Im trying to do is have an informed discussion about the point that you brought up.

In order for you to convince people of your point of view, you need to support your suppositions with evidence, at least anecdotal evidence, otherwise no one has any reason to see how you came to your conclusion.

You can say you don't care what others think of your supposition all you like, but then why announce your point of view in a public forum if you dont want to either discuss the pros and cons of it, or convince others to support your cause?

What exactly is your purpose in suggesting somehting that the majority clearly dont believe in in the first place?

Are you so unsure of your position and your original supposition that you are unwilling to provide anything at all to support your point of view?

If not, then please do, I want to hear why you think that it is the way it is, and if its compelling, perhaps you will have me and others support your case.

If so, then it would be polite to back down with some dignity.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#34 - 2014-08-27 11:16:41 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
metalravenous wrote:


Because you I don't want to deal with other people?

then why are you playing the game that's famously driven by player interaction in literally every facet.



Driven yeah, but you don't have to group to play it. But if new content is all group orientated then those that don't group will just feel that their subscriptions are not wanted.

Plus it's not easy to group with this game, just finding a good corp is hard enough. Especially as corps in this game are so fussy and nosey.



Exactly.

Why does a corp need to have my full API? Only reason really is so they can track and know everything about me. You get into some of these corporation and they turn out to either be right wing bible thumpers or left wing nuts. You disagree even a little with them and they are holding you and your assets hostages. Have you ever been stalked in game because you didn't agree with someone's views on health care or gun control in the USA? Not a fun place to be in.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-08-27 11:18:55 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
metalravenous wrote:

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing.
also,
Why do you think this?
I use alts to facilitate my efficiency as part of a larger group, to essentially be two people in a group, not to replace anyone .
Everyone I know who dose this will have a similar reason.


In any alliance I have ever been in the majority of people do not get into fleets they just keep ratting or mining or if forced to it will log off. No one really wants to do fleets even the people that go to them.

Maximum efficiency is you doing everything yourself at your own pace and in your own time, thereby replacing the need for anyone, just saying.



That is more indicative of the alliances you've been in. Another way of reading this thread is you need to be more careful about the people you choose to play with.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-08-27 11:19:29 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Meh.

From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.

I don't really see CCP forcing anyone to do anything in particular. Your choice.


I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing.


Pfft, haha.

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metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#37 - 2014-08-27 11:19:51 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
metalravenous wrote:

What I do is my own business and I'm not here to discuss ISK/hour. I am not trying to quantify anything, You are trying to make the point that more risk is more reward and I am saying no and even if it does it doesn't matter because I don't care. I just want to be able to play the game how I want to and how it is fun for me. My point is I don't think CCP should be investing time and resources in trying to push people together when they really don't want to be. It just creates bad feelings and bad Karma.


No, what Im trying to do is have an informed discussion about the point that you brought up.

In order for you to convince people of your point of view, you need to support your suppositions with evidence, at least anecdotal evidence, otherwise no one has any reason to see how you came to your conclusion.

You can say you don't care what others think of your supposition all you like, but then why announce your point of view in a public forum if you dont want to either discuss the pros and cons of it, or convince others to support your cause?

What exactly is your purpose in suggesting somehting that the majority clearly dont believe in in the first place?

Are you so unsure of your position and your original supposition that you are unwilling to provide anything at all to support your point of view?

If so, then please do, I want to hear why you think that it is the way it is, and if its compelling, perhaps you will have me and others support your case.

If not, then it would be polite to back down with some dignity.


Now you are just being wordy for the sake of being wordy and trying to complicate something simple.

At worse case minority or people don't want all of these PVP corp or alliance interactions. You don't think these people deserve to have their views respected?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#38 - 2014-08-27 11:20:35 UTC
First of all, and I mean this in regard to post #34, you're completely nuts.

Second of all, they encourage multiplayer gameplay because this is an MMO, the second M stands for Multiplayer.

Pretty much the only way you can genuinely play an MMO wrong is by trying to bury your head in the sand and play it like a single player game. If you want that there are plenty more games out there that are happy to enable antisocial behavior.

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metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#39 - 2014-08-27 11:20:39 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
metalravenous wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
metalravenous wrote:

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing.
also,
Why do you think this?
I use alts to facilitate my efficiency as part of a larger group, to essentially be two people in a group, not to replace anyone .
Everyone I know who dose this will have a similar reason.


In any alliance I have ever been in the majority of people do not get into fleets they just keep ratting or mining or if forced to it will log off. No one really wants to do fleets even the people that go to them.

Maximum efficiency is you doing everything yourself at your own pace and in your own time, thereby replacing the need for anyone, just saying.



That is more indicative of the alliances you've been in. Another way of reading this thread is you need to be more careful about the people you choose to play with.


Right, I should totally APP to join GOONS ASAP. Roll
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#40 - 2014-08-27 11:21:22 UTC
Just do what I do. Create multiple accounts and play solo yet multiplayer that way!

Talk to them. After a while they respond!

I discourage running with scissors.