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Damn... Burners are difficult!

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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-08-26 20:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: HeXxploiT
Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible!
I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out.
Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again.
F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!

Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out?
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#2 - 2014-08-26 20:38:41 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible!
I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out.
Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again.
F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!

Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out?


normal LP for a level 4
about 900k isk in reward and bonus
5mill for killing the rat

in my opinion they are badly implimented.
they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid
Ewar of every kind dose not work on them
there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do.

its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2014-08-26 20:44:30 UTC
Dark Drifter wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:
Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible!
I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out.
Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again.
F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!

Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out?


normal LP for a level 4
about 900k isk in reward and bonus
5mill for killing the rat

in my opinion they are badly implimented.
they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid
Ewar of every kind dose not work on them
there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do.

its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live


Good.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2014-08-26 20:51:54 UTC
Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2014-08-26 20:59:21 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.





https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369477&find=unread
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#6 - 2014-08-26 21:05:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369477&find=unread

And then some people claim carebears are lazy. Most efficient. Give it a week and the only issue with those missions is the number of frigates you have to stash on top of your bling-grinder.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-08-26 21:05:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dark Drifter wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:
Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible!
I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out.
Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again.
F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!

Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out?


normal LP for a level 4
about 900k isk in reward and bonus
5mill for killing the rat

in my opinion they are badly implimented.
they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid
Ewar of every kind dose not work on them
there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do.

its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live


Good.


Dumb. A golden opportunity wasted.


I wrote:
I'm disappointed here, I had thought their intent was to start bridging the gap between PvP and PvE fits. To blur the lines between PvE and PvP.

What we have are weird rats with stupid stats which are going to end up being killed by mad niche, designer fits thus rendering those frigates about as much use in a real fight as a ratting battleship.

I think it could have been much better with negligible rewards but a rat slightly closer to reality to help people transition. Low/null isnt the deathtrap people think it is.


I just dared to hope it wouldnt require a stupid fit that is bugger all use in actual PvP. I was wrong, I get that. Doesn't mean I think this is a good route for them to take it down.


Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#8 - 2014-08-26 21:23:23 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369477&find=unread

And then some people claim carebears are lazy. Most efficient. Give it a week and the only issue with those missions is the number of frigates you have to stash on top of your bling-grinder.


At which point CCP will amp up the tank / damage of the rats.
It is fast becoming clear this was never designed for solo play, but instead force people to buy alts.
Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2014-08-26 21:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
but instead force people to buy alts.

This is how people with no friends would see it anyway.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#10 - 2014-08-26 21:41:10 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
but instead force people to buy alts.

This is how people with no friends would see it anyway.


Burned.

Pun fully intended.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-08-26 21:44:55 UTC
So 1 faction-tanked worm is not enough? damn.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2014-08-26 21:52:34 UTC
Meh, you talk like your whole alliance would drop everything just to run burner mission for a few seconds with you. Personally I wouldn't even bother to undock for this especially that they are doable solo under 1 minute with proper skills and gear. Can't see a reason for alts nor friends for them.

And they cannot take burner's damage too high because without simultaneous increase of rewards people simply will switch/get back to small incursion sites.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-08-26 23:48:58 UTC
I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.

You just have to be smart about it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-08-27 00:05:53 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.

You just have to be smart about it.

You might be asking a bit much there, James. Blink
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#15 - 2014-08-27 00:10:08 UTC
I should point out that I totally called it with regards to the Daredevil being the ship to do these in, by the way. He can solo more than half of them.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#16 - 2014-08-27 00:11:24 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Meh, you talk like your whole alliance would drop everything just to run burner mission for a few seconds with you. Personally I wouldn't even bother to undock for this especially that they are doable solo under 1 minute with proper skills and gear. Can't see a reason for alts nor friends for them.

And they cannot take burner's damage too high because without simultaneous increase of rewards people simply will switch/get back to small incursion sites.


Silly me. I saw burner missions as a way to ease new players into solo PvP. Entice them with exciting one on one frigate battles that would inspire them to use those skills on other players.

Instead they reinforce the anti new player mentality: gear that you need to play awhile to skill into and forced teamwork. Brilliant!

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2014-08-27 00:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.

You just have to be smart about it.



Highlighted the imposible barrier that is impossible to cross for some (impossible) people Big smile
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-08-27 00:50:37 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Meh, you talk like your whole alliance would drop everything just to run burner mission for a few seconds with you. Personally I wouldn't even bother to undock for this especially that they are doable solo under 1 minute with proper skills and gear. Can't see a reason for alts nor friends for them.

And they cannot take burner's damage too high because without simultaneous increase of rewards people simply will switch/get back to small incursion sites.


Silly me. I saw burner missions as a way to ease new players into solo PvP. Entice them with exciting one on one frigate battles that would inspire them to use those skills on other players.

Instead they reinforce the anti new player mentality: gear that you need to play awhile to skill into and forced teamwork. Brilliant!




No completely new player will have the standings to run level IVs. By the time you can run IVs you will have ok fitting and basic skills.

Note that the Daredevil recommended above takes about 6 days to train into assuming you have no Gallente or Minmatar racial frigate at all. Add 2 weeks to get those skills to V and 2 more weeks to get T2 small hybrids. So maybe 6 weeks training.




Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-08-27 00:53:39 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
but instead force people to buy alts.

This is how people with no friends would see it anyway.

Ice. Burn.

It's too bad that nobody makes single player games so people who are allergic to playing with others would have something to do.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Slicr
#20 - 2014-08-27 01:12:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.

You just have to be smart about it.


Well I'm screwed

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.

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