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Rent in Aridia/Genesis/Solitude LS, Surely You're Joking (We're not)

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Seraph IX Basarab
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Seraphim Division
#1 - 2014-08-25 23:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph IX Basarab
October Update:

SYJ has expanded its influence in lowsec with more of an emphasis on Aridia/Solitude while still maintaining a strong presence in Genesis. Our move (6 jumps) to Aridia, provides more varied opportunities for our clients.


Why live in lowsec?

Well many people will say that 0.0 is the place to be. The assumption goes that this game progresses highsec to lowsec to nullsec in a linear model. In reality however the three carry varied benefits which may be better or worse in respect to the other forms of secspace. So what are lowsec's benefits?

Arrow Not tied to sov. You never have to worry about having your assets locked in station.

Arrow Lowsec specific perks such as Thukker Towers, lowsec industry, and area specific ores.

Arrow Moon mining and POS ownership.

Arrow Mine, build and sell with relative ease with minimal logistical hardship.

Arrow Not limited to any one system.



Conventional renting in 0.0 sees you limited to the system you pay for. In our program, the entire of region of influence is open to you to do as you please. Just as a point of reference, a single system out in 0.0, on a pipe with a sec status of -0.10, no ice, no stations, will cost you around 1 billion. A single truesec system that is dead end, no ice, no station will cost you over 10 billion. While that may be appealing to some, it isn't for everyone and in Lowsec you can find a much more manageable position with benefits unique to the area.



The previous program I ran in Khanid and Kor-Azor lowsec saw us protecting a dozen clients which benefited from our patronage and we in turn were mutually pleased by their contributions. Since the program in Khanid, I've learned many ways to improve and streamline the process in order to make things simpler and more orderly for future clients. Send me a line if you have any questions.


How does this work? Contact me (Seraph IX Basarab) in game or via Eve mail to negotiate a fair price. Afterward you'll join an in game channel with a list of other members to establish diplomatic ties. You can work together if you'd like or you can ignore one another.

That's it, it's that simple. No API checks, extra fees for this and that. Just pay a cheap price, build your corp, do your business and if someone bothers you, we'll bother them back.

Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Voievod
Surely You're Joking Diplomat
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-08-26 14:50:37 UTC
I sincerely hope someone falls for this little scam of yours.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-08-26 16:23:41 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
I sincerely hope someone falls for this little scam of yours.


It isn't a scam. Thanks for asking though.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-08-26 16:31:51 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
I sincerely hope someone falls for this little scam of yours.


It isn't a scam. Thanks for asking though.


Right, and CODE mining permits aren't a scam either.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-08-26 17:00:04 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
I sincerely hope someone falls for this little scam of yours.


It isn't a scam. Thanks for asking though.


Right, and CODE mining permits aren't a scam either.


They aren't, as long as the persons whom purchase the permits abide by the conduct outlined in the Code.

If anyone is doubtful of the lowsec renting program, they simply need to inquire the past parties whom have participated. It really is a win-win for parties concerned. If you have a corp of 200 people, nullsec probobly works just fine for you. However, if you have a corp of under 50, living in lowsec with a superbase of blue pirates right next door may be just what you need.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Tyrone Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-08-26 18:52:21 UTC
You first go of renting lowsec was interesting, but then one day the thread was locked at the op's request. Without knowing more about the old system and what happened, I would be hesitant to rent from you.

Why should I pay you rent, take the time to set up towers and PI, move assets and everything into the region and then find out a couple months later that you are no longer providing 'protection' and moving to another region. People like stability and it only appears that your pervious lowsec rental empire lasted for 3 months, what is different about this one?

What happened to the renters that got left behind when you moved?
How much notice did you give them that you were moving and no longer 'protecting' them?
How long do you plan on staying in Genesis?

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-26 19:03:33 UTC
Tyrone Arran wrote:
You first go of renting lowsec was interesting, but then one day the thread was locked at the op's request. Without knowing more about the old system and what happened, I would be hesitant to rent from you.

Why should I pay you rent, take the time to set up towers and PI, move assets and everything into the region and then find out a couple months later that you are no longer providing 'protection' and moving to another region. People like stability and it only appears that your pervious lowsec rental empire lasted for 3 months, what is different about this one?

What happened to the renters that got left behind when you moved?
How much notice did you give them that you were moving and no longer 'protecting' them?
How long do you plan on staying in Genesis?



If you are legitimately interested, and would like your questions answered, then contact Seraph.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Tyrone Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-08-26 19:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrone Arran
Leto Thule wrote:
Tyrone Arran wrote:
You first go of renting lowsec was interesting, but then one day the thread was locked at the op's request. Without knowing more about the old system and what happened, I would be hesitant to rent from you.

Why should I pay you rent, take the time to set up towers and PI, move assets and everything into the region and then find out a couple months later that you are no longer providing 'protection' and moving to another region. People like stability and it only appears that your pervious lowsec rental empire lasted for 3 months, what is different about this one?

What happened to the renters that got left behind when you moved?
How much notice did you give them that you were moving and no longer 'protecting' them?
How long do you plan on staying in Genesis?



If you are legitimately interested, and would like your questions answered, then contact Seraph.


Really? Why can he not answer them in this thread? I am sure others would be wondering the same thing..

Please do not take my questions as some sort of troll or slam against your idea.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-08-26 19:15:07 UTC
Tyrone Arran wrote:

Really? Why can he not answer them in this thread? I am sure others would be wondering the same thing..
Please do not take my questions as some sort of troll or slam against your idea.


I dont speak for him, I am just a member of the alliance hosting the program. He may decide to answer your questions publicly, he may prefer to work in privacy.

But I do know that we dont shoot blues, and that the last time he did this, it worked out. Its not a scam.

Thats all I will say on it, as I dont run the program.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-08-26 19:16:21 UTC
Tyrone Arran wrote:
You first go of renting lowsec was interesting, but then one day the thread was locked at the op's request. Without knowing more about the old system and what happened, I would be hesitant to rent from you.

Why should I pay you rent, take the time to set up towers and PI, move assets and everything into the region and then find out a couple months later that you are no longer providing 'protection' and moving to another region. People like stability and it only appears that your pervious lowsec rental empire lasted for 3 months, what is different about this one?

What happened to the renters that got left behind when you moved?
How much notice did you give them that you were moving and no longer 'protecting' them?
How long do you plan on staying in Genesis?



AKA, a scam (IMO).

But again, good luck, hope they make some ISK
Tyrone Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-08-26 19:16:59 UTC
Then why even reply to my question if you do not have the authority to do so..
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-08-26 19:22:01 UTC
Tyrone Arran wrote:
Then why even reply to my question if you do not have the authority to do so..


I posted here in response to those calling it a scam, to which I can speak of from personal experience, that it is not.

I dont require anyone's "authority" to post anything anywhere. As I have stated, plainly, take up business with the POC.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-08-26 19:27:43 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
the last time he did this, it worked out. Its not a scam


Until BL came along eh? What's to stop that happening again?
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-08-26 19:42:39 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
the last time he did this, it worked out. Its not a scam


Until BL came along eh? What's to stop that happening again?


In EvE, there is always a bigger fish. The beauty of it, is there is nothing stopping a larger force from coming in and taking over. But in lowsec, you dont lose your station. You dont have your assets locked out.

It really is a good idea. If you read the other thread, youll see I supported it several months before I was even a member of SYJ.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-08-26 20:06:55 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
the last time he did this, it worked out. Its not a scam


Until BL came along eh? What's to stop that happening again?


In EvE, there is always a bigger fish. The beauty of it, is there is nothing stopping a larger force from coming in and taking over. But in lowsec, you dont lose your station. You dont have your assets locked out.

It really is a good idea. If you read the other thread, youll see I supported it several months before I was even a member of SYJ.

Speaking of which, when did you join syj?

+1 for SYJ rentals.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-08-26 20:18:05 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

Speaking of which, when did you join syj?

+1 for SYJ rentals.


About a month ago. Was in Ducks for a bit ( honestly loved WH space, and nothing against ducks at all ) but the main guys I flew with decided it was time to go elsewhere. It just happened that elsewhere was SYJ. Fun group, good peeps.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-08-26 21:13:58 UTC
+1 for content guys. Whatever I may think of your tactics, you are doing something right here.
Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-08-26 21:23:56 UTC
damn grass cutters
Reynas Arthie
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-08-27 06:41:28 UTC
So it's not really renting is it?

More like paying 'protection' money to the local triad/mafia family until another bigger group comes along and moves them along.

I like it. Fits with the concept of low sec perfectly IMO :)
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#20 - 2014-08-27 15:41:07 UTC
Tyrone Arran wrote:
You first go of renting lowsec was interesting, but then one day the thread was locked at the op's request. Without knowing more about the old system and what happened, I would be hesitant to rent from you.

Why should I pay you rent, take the time to set up towers and PI, move assets and everything into the region and then find out a couple months later that you are no longer providing 'protection' and moving to another region. People like stability and it only appears that your pervious lowsec rental empire lasted for 3 months, what is different about this one?

What happened to the renters that got left behind when you moved?
How much notice did you give them that you were moving and no longer 'protecting' them?
How long do you plan on staying in Genesis?




And that's a completely legitimate question that I'll answer.

Long story short, once we kicked out the old rulers of Khanid, pvp stagnated, and activity went down because for 10 months out of the year, Khanid is pretty dead. Our allies, EE had more action in Genesis and we had people in our alliance already fly with them. When BL came and blobbed with their 200 man Ishtard fleets, there was little incentive to stay. We knew BL would come and go, they have cycles of success matched by failures, but regardless Khanid was far too quiet for us.

So we moved where there was more action. Genesis has that and in essence that's what's "different" to answer that question.

What happened to the clients after we left? Some of them joined us, some moved out, some stayed and some are in talks with me currently to join our Genesis program.

Notice was given as soon as I found out. We moved out a couple of weeks afterward. It's lowsec, not sov, no one's tied down. That's the awesome thing about it.

Genesis is our home, our coalition lives here and it provides us enough content that I really don't see us moving.
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