Warfare & Tactics

Personally, I feel it's just a step in our continuous evolution as the Gallente Militia. From back in the day with EVOKE and Vlillirier, to more recently with TEST's entrance into the militia last fall, GalMil has essentially proved beyond a doubt that we can defend any core system from every threat we've faced to date. Not to say we can't be beat - one day it will happen, that's kind of the nature of the beast. But so far, CalMil as a whole haven't been able to come up with anything that could break us. That's a testament to our collective determination and willingness to do the hard work of showing up to fight outnumbered, day in and day out, regardless of the cost - just to make it as costly and difficult as possible to dislodge us from our chosen homes.

We have CalMil to thank for that, and we have the leadership of the various GalMil corps to thank for that. And we've got the willingness to set aside personal differences - and we've got a LOT of big egos in GalMil - when the chips are down to thank for that. These were all hard lessons to learn.

Then, we proved that we could take essentially any system we chose when we chose to take it. That happened in Innia, Kehjari, OMS / Heyd back last year. We even demonstrated that we could blunt a headshot attempt in a system halfway across the map - there's a very compelling argument to be made that Huola would have burned if we hadn't shown up.

Holding the warzone in the face of the old plex mechanics, with the farmer hordes it inspired, wasn't feasible. Wasn't possible to organize, too much work that folks didn't want to deal with. Trying to mount an offensive while chasing "rabbit plexers" all over the WZ was just going to cause too much burnout far too quickly. So, we focused on shipping up to shinier doctrines, picking fights with local pirate / neutral gangs over POSes and POCOs. Stretching our legs, finding new ways to fight, sharpening our knives for the inevitable return of CalMil.

And they did push back, in early-mid July, capturing several non-core systems. We didn't mount a serious defense for any of them, until Rakapas. And once we successfully defended Rakapas, eliminating the threat that Okkamon posed was a logical next step. We noticed that the Kronos changes meant that the defensive burden was significantly reduced, which raised the question - could we take the warzone again? Was it feasible?

With our higher tier, the deplexing burden on our core corporations was significantly reduced, freeing us up for offensive operations. We were able to take Okkamon, even with the influence of neutrals and a 2-jump reship burden, even so soon after Huola. It seemed feasible. So folks kept rolling, and rolling, and rolling. BOHICA joined GalMil, corps left CalMil, resistance started to crumble.

The rest is history, as they say.

The question, of course, is what we do next. We've got plenty of high SP, high skill, well equipped neutrals in our WZ to play with. Plenty of structures to scout out and scrap over. And, of course, it's really an open question of how long, and how hard, we want to defend how much of the WZ we now control. If the point was to take up the challenge and see if we could do it, and we've met that challenge, then how much of the WZ do we need to keep locked down?

People play the sandbox how they want to, capturing the entirety of the warzone is afterall the technical goal of each milita. Many would not view a pity parade as sportsmanship either, it is not on us to de-escalate our level of organization or to pull punches when and where we choose. Yes it is infact entirely on our opponents to beat us, and if they really can't its up to the Devs to change the rules of the game, there really is no other way in reality.

Much of this "you'll regret it later" talk fails to take into account what the alternative was. A crippled caldari militia that in large fights by their own admission was reduced to baiting for batphones, or that in small gang fights routinely brought overwhelming levels of bull**** to every inconsequential knockabout fight. Why would we choose to live next to groups of squids that provide near 0 worthwhile content? We enjoy our solo and small gang content and on that front the squids were the worst thing to happen to our neck of the woods.

I know you weren't around so won't have much of the context, but we started the WZ push when the squids had about 7 systems left. This was a situation where it became a crime not to take the whole warzone as the squids were letting it fall apart around them anyway. How is it the high road to artificially string up an opponent for us to beat down a little here and there?

off topic: I don't know of anyone that has a problem with QCATS, I do know plenty of people that have a problem with dropins that open the intramilitia discourse, on a public thread, with insults.

Across Kinakka, Pavanakka, Asakai and Heydieles. About 177.2b ISK was lost in all the sieges (that includes neutrals) with CalMil and allies losing approximately 41.54b ISK and GalMil losing about 37.19b ISK. I think both sides fought hard, and did what they could. From what I saw we couldn't overcome the Gallente's superior numbers and spread of pilots, had trouble keeping people together and getting pilots to log in. The Gallente worked hard to take our systems and they paid for them too. We simply have to try and find a way to overcome them.

I like the idea of sportsmanship, in general, but there is no point in "going easy". If you're after a certain type of fight, then yes fit the type of fleet for that job. If you want a 1v1, you wander around solo and try to find it, want a small gang then you git a few firgates up and roll out, want to take a system you deploy as many pilots in the target system as you can and use the right ships for each plex to hold the system. But when you do that, at least be aware of what you're doing. I understand trolling local and being an ass to bait fights, but if you have a blob in one system bigger than all the active pilots in CalMil don't complain about not getting fights. Any Gallente pilots who did not want to take the warzone were not forced to participate in the conquest, simple as that. I am sure there were discussions and debates over it, but at the end of the day no one forces anyone to do anything thing.

This.

Fact is, getting more than 30-40 folks in one fleet can be tough, even for us. Of course, there were up to 3 GalMil fleets operating in system simultaneously, each doing their own thing. And while this was happening, other folks were ignoring it all completely and doing whatever it is they liked to do.

Props to you for admitting that you don't want folks to take it easy on you. I truly do hope that CalMil can find a way to work closer together and I look forward to the challenges you bring once you get yourselves sorted out. GalMil never asked, nor did we ever expect, our opponents to take it easy on us - and here we are, hip deep in 60 links, covered in the sweat of our own success. Regardless of how many folks look askance at the pursuit of this particular goal, it IS an achievement, and one we can and should be proud of.

Like I said earlier, I look forward to seeing what else we can achieve.

What's the matter Crosi....not happy that someone outside QCats doesn't drink the same Kool-Aid?

Don't worry...we'll be out of your hair soon enough...

So that justifies you attempting to shut down Deen's dissenting opinion with a snide quip? Not to mention an entire corp because one member ruffled your feathers?

Sensitive much?

Nexx is a BAMF who has killed more squids than most Gal corps. It is no secret that he never holds back on his opinion and he is more than free to express that opinion. While I may not approve of his delivery methods...if you have an issue with him, then man up and take it to him. Don't be some forum douche throwing snide remarks about a corp you can't even be bothered to communicate with when in the same alliance.

You might want to look up elitism. You like to throw that our way, but your remarks about us and Deen's opinion says volumes about your own. Just because Deen's opinion was "addressed very well by his own corpmates and a few caldari militia peeps" still does not explain yours.

Oh, and as an example of our 'elitism'.....we purposefully held off on any corp move until after the war zone was fully taken at the request of our corpies who were helping so that they could continue to help..... (See, even if we disagree in corp...we don't shut down our members).

I would say it's been good flying with you, but after what I have seen of you the last few days....not so much...

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Funny... people talk about Cal and Gal just like a country of some sort... and just like a country, they all have problems and they all have hot brazilian waxed chicks...
SOO yeah... gal mil won (yay motherf!), Caldari is a mess, minmatar mil (for some reason) shots gal mil (!) and Amarr is a mith (like the ones you tell your children before bed)

(please please understand my jokes and don't give them credit [unless the minmatar mil... that part is true])

we can point out every problem but... just like a country... you know what is wrong, there is tons of reasons... all you need to do is change...
Come on, change a country is hard, there is lots of politics and stuff... but here we are kind of free... there is even a site (the true eve history stuff) that show us we can screw the game as much as we want because everyone is free to do what the hell they want
you want to bump a titan out of a pos just for revenge? fine! http://themittani.com/news/disgruntled-director-leads-death-titan
you want to dismantle a huge alliance and screw the entire game? good! http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-true-stories-the-comic-book-based-on-true-events-20.000-years-into-the-future/

so stop complaing... stop trying to fight ghosts... Cal mil is a mess? fine, go there and fix it... gal is huge? Nice, Napoleon was huge too... and look what the russians (dam you russians) did to him...
This Sh** will only get better if you move your finger from the lower part of the keyboard to the PF1 PF2 PF3 buttons

and sorry for my engrish...

Not quite, its irrelevant because no one cares what deen or qcats opinion on the push was. The time was perfect for a push. Not doing so would have been a massive missed opportunity to bring the militia closer and trial by fire for many new peeps in wide open fleets as is testified in these various threads.

Calmil resistance fizzle out towards the end making it a technicality, besides the frequent neut interventions but many fights were generated. Sure, the fights wernt as demanding as sitting on a gate with an insta thrasher but we did our best!

With the Warzone secure and basically acting as an ISK fountain, we should be well positioned to strike out to claim GalMil sovspace. We can't be ejected from our homes in Placid and Black Rise; we can farm away for all the ships we need more efficiently than nullbears and push out.