Missions & Complexes

I am thinking of trying this for sheer nostalgia sake as a double repper Prophecy was my first level IV mission ship. I have not actually flown a Prophecy since they got buffed recently.

I am treating this as exercise in doing the job with a T2 ship.

The Mantis seem to orbit at 18km whereas your web range is 10km or 13km with overheat. However the tank is borderline and the sig bloom from an MWD and losing a damage mod will probably push it over the edge even with the faster orbit. An MJD and sentries may work against the mantis but I doubt you have time to kill more than one before they start orbiting and cannot be hit.

I have been experimenting on SISI and a couple of observations:

- I generally only lose drones if they are out while closing on a new group, once orbiting drones seem safe.
- the Dragonfly kinetic damage is minimal compared to thermal and explosive
- it is not 100% clear Acolytes (hit resist hole but only 10% lower resists) are better than Warriors (optimal tracking) against the unwebbed mantis


I am considering dropping the two EANM and running EM, EXP and Thermal hardeners for potentially better tank and experimenting with Integrated Warrior for even better tracking.

EDIT: Separate hardeners did not help

my fit and tips if you are interested, note I haven't tried it on TQ yet. been busy with stuff, plus the LP reward isn't quite there yet, and it is the longest burner out there, so I'm not too tempted to try yet. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6068439#post6068439 and some notes from earlier on sisi https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6066884#post6066884

fighters are very heavy on thermal, with some explosive, and bombers are pretty much all EM. A RAH seems like it could be very strong, but could be vulnerable while it is shifting, and I'm not sure if it is worth the cap use?

Sniping can work, but they have very small sigs, so speed/transversal matching has to be near perfect. took me like an hour to do it with an oracle. navy omen might be better thanks to medium gun tracking, but I haven't tried it, and it is lower dps than rail vigilant anyways.

Ok so this is what I've been testing on the test server so far. (I've gone through Vigilant, Vaga, Huginn, Rook, Prophecy, Orthrus to name but a few)



Now the good thing is this can tank everything in this site (so long as you're orbiting something) and kill the dragonflies. The bad thing is that it can't kill the mantis, ever. The reason for that is because of the absolutely bonkers defender missiles they have. Also yes, even withh all of the sig related gear on that ship, you're still not applying maximum damage. The sigs on these things is beyond stupid. These are smaller than shoebox type sigs. It's dumb.

Interestingly if you put a Hydraulics rig on there right, the missiles are just fast enough to get past the defender, wooh! But you're no longer cap stable, or even able to tank a single wave of mantis, boo!

So that's where this fit comes in.



The Faction ballistics aren't required (haven't tested them yet but I hope it'll help with another problem). but the Gist is so that you can actually tank the mantis. Now this fit has a paint instead of a web. I haven't tested the paint instead of web against dragonflies. Paint doesn't work, need to drop a depo and refit every time a new wave comes out.

I'll continue testing tonight when I get back from work. I need to pick up the gist booster from a station as well as the 3 faction ballistics.

ps. My test server character is very close to being all V with regards to missile skills. I have serious doubts if this is possible without max/near max missile skills.

pss. The prophecy 'works' in that I have to yolo dozens of drones at the dragonflies while they chew them up faster than I can give commands to attack. It's stupid and dumb(the mission, not the fit).

Guys, how much DPS do I need to tank for Guristas base burner ?

I was thinking to try it in Huggin + Cerberus ? Do you think it is a good idea ?

What? A challenging burner mission that can't be blitzed? Sounds like CCP is going in the right direction.

Challenging missions that are more like pvp? Missions that require team play? Yeah. That's the right direction. I hope CCP is recording all the data from those missions and uses them to make comparable Level 1-3 mission.

The best thing about the frigate burners, is doing them in lowsec. Mofo invades your mission and get owned by the burner is frickin hilarious.

I was thinking about dual webs on a Huggin to help Cerb applying the damage. Or if those fighters using MWD, then maybe a Lachesis with long point to stop them and apply damage with Cerb.

but it isn't challenging, it is long and mostly boring, like many of the standard lv4 missions. main differences are it requires a teeny bit of clicking approach, and is limited to bc and down. Outside of figuring out the hardeners I had it mostly figured out almost immediately. also they changed the mission around a bit between the first and second day.


would love to see some more team play options. sadly nearly all pve content seems to be based around solo play. Hard to get newbies into high end content, especially when experienced players will make more running solo than running with other people. Also I find it annoying that most of the group pve content is limited, which is necessarily bad, but can be annoying. hard to get excited about the game when you log in and have to find a new wormhole, or go 20 jumps just to get to the next destination, as there are no sites in your area.

and I've been wanting to run more lowsec burners for that very reason. but most people can't probe me down and get into the mission before I can kill the burner. Although I've mostly been in low traffic systems, might be interesting to see what happens in one of the busy systems. should go afk with a passive jag in the blood burner mission



kiting might work that way. bonused target painter plus a web or two from the huginn might make the cerb damage apply well. I didn't test anything missile based. MWD + 4 web + painter, or maybe 3 web 2 painter? should give you easy range control on the fighters/bombers (put one web on each of the 3 fighters, and double web, or paint the primary) and let the cerb pick them off. The huginn could probably hit with arty too. no idea how long it would take though.

I don't think it is meant to be solo. In fact CCP even said that they were not designed to be solo, but players figured out how to do them solo with niche and bling fits.

Playing EVE isn't all about making isk and having a fat wallet. I believe interacting with likeminded individuals in EVE is what retains players.

Maybe instead of coming up with solo fits, we should be coming up with small 2-3 man gang fits as well for the lower skilled/low isk players.