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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#821 - 2015-10-15 13:33:12 UTC
Or you can just pimp it a little.

[Garmur, burner]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Core Defense Field Extender II

243 DPS / 285 OH
Ix Method
Doomheim
#822 - 2015-10-15 16:12:15 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
If you have max skills you don't need to rely on the sometimes random nature of ecm. An all T2 fit with a TP and guidence comps allow you to have better range control and application and works with all 4 team burners. That said, not using faction ammo I feel is a waste considering how much burners pay out.

Tbh I found the logi occasionally ended up outside of Faction range, lots of dancing around trying not to die. ECM is dodgy though, was gonna give damps a whirl but not got around to it. Smashing through the reps sounds like it'd take ages but It's worth a crack Smile

Travelling at the speed of love.

Ginger Longrun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#823 - 2015-10-15 16:23:39 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
If you have max skills you don't need to rely on the sometimes random nature of ecm. An all T2 fit with a TP and guidence comps allow you to have better range control and application and works with all 4 team burners. That said, not using faction ammo I feel is a waste considering how much burners pay out.

Tbh I found the logi occasionally ended up outside of Faction range, lots of dancing around trying not to die. ECM is dodgy though, was gonna give damps a whirl but not got around to it. Smashing through the reps sounds like it'd take ages but It's worth a crack Smile



with perfect skills (my case) in both ecm and rockets i find the fastest possible way to go is polarized rocket launchers with 2 guid comp 1 tp mwd
Valacus
Streets of Fire
#824 - 2015-10-15 20:07:45 UTC
The ECM tactic for the Anomic Team missions is very, very inconsistent. I find myself pulling my hair out as a logi I just barely started to bleed into armor get repped to full after my jams wear off, and it takes forever to get them to land again. I have 2 race specific jams fit, and even then the success rate is <50%, and it takes AT LEAST 2 successive cycles to make any real headway on their tank. If they get even 1 cycle to repair, they will pull themselves back to full. I think I'm just going to go back to skipping Burner Missions. More effort than they're worth.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#825 - 2015-10-15 20:28:16 UTC
Valacus wrote:
The ECM tactic for the Anomic Team missions is very, very inconsistent. I find myself pulling my hair out as a logi I just barely started to bleed into armor get repped to full after my jams wear off, and it takes forever to get them to land again. I have 2 race specific jams fit, and even then the success rate is <50%, and it takes AT LEAST 2 successive cycles to make any real headway on their tank. If they get even 1 cycle to repair, they will pull themselves back to full. I think I'm just going to go back to skipping Burner Missions. More effort than they're worth.


just skip the ecm part and bring moar dmg.

when they only need one cycle back to full something is wrong.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#826 - 2015-10-15 20:59:26 UTC
Is there a standard alt ship for dual boxing the base burners? Such as a drone based ship that can kite the burner while the main ship does it's job?

I didn't feel like I needed more tank, just more overwhelming DPS that reduces the need for blingy fits.








Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#827 - 2015-10-15 21:43:56 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Is there a standard alt ship for dual boxing the base burners? Such as a drone based ship that can kite the burner while the main ship does it's job?

I didn't feel like I needed more tank, just more overwhelming DPS that reduces the need for blingy fits.


think most will bring more dmg ships on burner. for teamburners some choice an ecm frig as partner but depends.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#828 - 2015-10-15 22:24:25 UTC
Ploing wrote:
Valacus wrote:
The ECM tactic for the Anomic Team missions is very, very inconsistent. I find myself pulling my hair out as a logi I just barely started to bleed into armor get repped to full after my jams wear off, and it takes forever to get them to land again. I have 2 race specific jams fit, and even then the success rate is <50%, and it takes AT LEAST 2 successive cycles to make any real headway on their tank. If they get even 1 cycle to repair, they will pull themselves back to full. I think I'm just going to go back to skipping Burner Missions. More effort than they're worth.


just skip the ecm part and bring moar dmg.

when they only need one cycle back to full something is wrong.


Also watch range with an ECM fit. If the logi get focused on repping each other and end up some distance away (returning to spawn point?) you can often take out the team burner before they can get back to him and ignore the logi altogether.

However, that said, I am personally going to swap to a non-ECM rocket fit now that I have better skills for rockets.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#829 - 2015-10-15 23:11:13 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:


Also watch range with an ECM fit. If the logi get focused on repping each other and end up some distance away (returning to spawn point?) you can often take out the team burner before they can get back to him and ignore the logi altogether.

However, that said, I am personally going to swap to a non-ECM rocket fit now that I have better skills for rockets.


yeah i know that, cause was flying a lml ecm garmur before.

anyway good decision.
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#830 - 2015-10-15 23:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Garrett Osinov
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Is there a standard alt ship for dual boxing the base burners? Such as a drone based ship that can kite the burner while the main ship does it's job?

I didn't feel like I needed more tank, just more overwhelming DPS that reduces the need for blingy fits.



I do team burners in Griffin + Worm (to speed things up I have 4 racial fit Griffins)
Anomic agents :
Angel (Dramiel) in Harpy + Worm
Serpentis (Daredevil) in Harpy + Worm
Blood (Cruor) in Wolf + Worm
Sansha (Succubus) in Wolf + Worm
Guristas (Worm) in Daredevil (you need a very fast ship to catch Worm) + Worm

Anomic base against Serpentis I do in Cerberus
Anomic base against Angels I do in Vigilant
and skip the rest.
Mikes Praxon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#831 - 2015-10-18 02:18:57 UTC
o7

Did CCP change something about the team burner missions ? Last time I played - 3 months ago - I was able to do every mission and now I can't manage to kill the Navitas into the Enyo pocket.

Here's the fit of the ship I was using/I'm using atm :

[Harpy, Burner - Enyo]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Capacitor Power Relay II

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gistum B-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Cap Recharger II

Shadow Serpentis 150mm Railgun
Shadow Serpentis 150mm Railgun
Shadow Serpentis 150mm Railgun
Shadow Serpentis 150mm Railgun

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II

Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S x8000

(198 dps @ 20km optimal - 27 fallof)

Last time I played, I did'nt need to overload my guns and now, I can't kill the logis even with heat bonus. It seems like I can't touch them as well as before. Any Idea ?
Eliador Daerie
Daerie Inc.
#832 - 2015-10-18 10:00:39 UTC
Just did the Serpentis anomic base with this fit in ~8min

[Cerberus, AMS - SerpKiller]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pith B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Domination 50MN Microwarpdrive

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


Hornet II x3
Scourge Javelin HAM

Approach Talos with highest transversal. When at approx 50km set orbit to 20km and launch drones. Full DPS. When armor at ~50% set keep at rang 1km, kill it, loot, approach next talos the same way, etc (don't forget to get drones back in).

Talos will target drones so you won't be disrupted in case you need to warp out quickly (missionning in lowsec for example or you messed up the transversal approach).

You can keep MDW active or not (fit is cap stable) when orbitting, that's your choice. Works both ways.

Cheers !
Arec Bardwin
#833 - 2015-10-18 16:38:24 UTC
Eliador Daerie wrote:

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
This has to be a typo!
Nala Exino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#834 - 2015-10-18 17:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nala Exino
Very cheap way to beat it the Guristas burner base with a Prophecy, total cost with the fit is around 70-80 mil. Perfect skills with no implants or boosters:

[Prophecy, Guristas Burner Base]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Cap Recharger II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Cap Recharger II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Acolyte II x5

It has no problems tanking but takes a while to kill the Mantis fighters since you can't get in range to web them. Next time I'll probably swap one of the webs for a TP or missile guidance computer with precision script.

Also, don't bother with medium drones - Infiltrator IIs couldn't even hit the dual-webbed Dragonflies (these tend to sometimes pop a drone instantly, so make sure to bring 10-15 Accolyte IIs just in case).

Finally, the NOS is there because I wanted to test if it works on the fighters (as far as I can tell, it doesn't). It may be better to replace it with an auto cannon or something.

As for loot, one of the containers dropped a stack of Guirstas light missiles, so there is probably a chance for something shinier.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#835 - 2015-10-19 05:32:42 UTC
I am wondering if people have noticed in any pattern in the types of burners offered in different regions or are they totally random ?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#836 - 2015-10-19 11:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I am wondering if people have noticed in any pattern in the types of burners offered in different regions or are they totally random ?

I doubt I have even near enough data but I don't think so. I've been running in both minmatar and caldari space for two different factions and corps. Haven't noticed a specfic pattern (that would make sense regarding regional pirate groups). All burner missions are available regardless where and for whom you run though I can't speak towards certain burners being offered more than others. You'd need a data set of 1000s of burner missions to really start seeing patterns.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#837 - 2015-10-19 12:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Anize Oramara wrote:
Heh

Time to kill on the bling Orthrus (cost is around 120 mill cheaper than the bling 3min Gila) is 3min 40seconds. Neither the 3min Gila nor the Orthrus 'spent time' picking up the 7mill guaranteed loot.

That said the tank wasn't as strong as I remember from last time I ran it. However that's most likely because I lacked Caldari navy shield extenders and had to make do with meta 4 ones and used a gist instead of pith ward.

I did record it and will upload at some point. I'd like to run a few more on sisi though to iron out any tank issues.

Fit for reference:

Quote:
[Orthrus, Ashimu Burner pimped]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender (Replace with Caldari Navy)
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender (Replace with Caldari Navy)
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier (Replace with Pithum C-type)

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hornet II x5


Going through the logs it looks like the ashimu for some reason was just absolutely mauling me with penetrating and smashing hits. I have absolutely no idea why though. Not only is the Orthrus faster than the Gila, but it has a much smaller sig (by 50). A larger shield pool will help against this.

Oh, I only reloaded the ASB once and used all of 12 cap charges. Additionally I only lost 2 hornets.

Here's the cheap one, bonus for having a tractor beam on it:

Quote:
[Orthrus, Ashimu Burner cheap]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hornet II x5


https://youtu.be/FEWJwv6CO88


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=451065

Quote:
Reduce damage bonus to +15% per level


Cry

Planned Winter update. This change will completely shoot the T2 fit in the foot. Dammit and it's ripping through the ashimu burner so well too. It's still a bit better than the Cerb fit (I think, will only know when the changes go live).

There's also this

Quote:
Gila: -1 Lowslot, -20 CPU

It a bit of nerf on the Gila's tankDPS. This will effect the ashimu burner as well for people running the Gila. It made up for the bonkers drone aggro by having high DPS. The tank on the Gila is not sustainable. It should still work, I think, but only for max skilled pilots and will have an impact on completion time (obviously).

Man, at this rate, with it being one of only two burners giving reduced rewards I might just decline it form now on :/

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#838 - 2015-10-19 22:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Anize Oramara wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I am wondering if people have noticed in any pattern in the types of burners offered in different regions or are they totally random ?

I doubt I have even near enough data but I don't think so. I've been running in both minmatar and caldari space for two different factions and corps. Haven't noticed a specfic pattern (that would make sense regarding regional pirate groups). All burner missions are available regardless where and for whom you run though I can't speak towards certain burners being offered more than others. You'd need a data set of 1000s of burner missions to really start seeing patterns.


That was my impression which is why I asked. I built a Gila thinking I would get a reasonable number of Angel Base Burners in Minmatar space but actually very few have dropped at all, it will take a while to pay for itself.

As for the Gila changes I currently fly a variant of the generic passive shield RLML version of the Gila in these forums (cost me about 330 mill ISK to knock up):

4 x RLML

3 x LSE II
2 x EM Ward Amp II
1x Thermic Dissip Amp II

3 x DDA II
1 x Shield Power Relay

3 x Medium Core Defense Field Purger II



... but its actually overtanked and I will have Caldari V soon anyway, so the slot loss and dropping the Shield Power Relay will not effect me that much.

I seem to have plenty of spare CPU with the generic T2 fit so the -20 CPU will not be a big issue.

Most people seem to use a Ballistic Control instead of the Shield Power Relay in which case you would lose maybe 35 to 45 DPS assuming you pack CN Light. Annoying but not a game breaker.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#839 - 2015-10-19 23:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton
I think with the gila nerf dropping the BCU would make the most sense. not sure what that will mean for drone aggro though.

Burner type IDs, so if you wanted to crawl through API data to find out what you go up against most this would be how to look it up. I feel like in caldari/amarr space I see a lot the cruor burner, but then I won't see it for a few days. I'll go take a look and report back with what I see
34141 Burner Dramiel
34142 Burner Worm
34143 Burner Daredevil
34144 Burner Cruor
34145 Burner Succubus
34154 Burner Burst
34155 Burner Jaguar
34182 Burner Bantam
34183 Burner Hawk
34184 Burner Inquisitor
34185 Burner Vengeance
34186 Burner Navitas
34187 Burner Enyo
34783 Burner Talos
34785 Burner Ashimmu
35646 Burner Sentinel
36846 Burner Dragonfly
36847 Burner Mantis
36848 Burner Antero
35679 Burner Clone Soldier Transport
35689 Burner Escort Dramiel

*edit* no I won't it is a pain in the arse to sort through. maybe if I am really curious at some later point

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#840 - 2015-10-19 23:18:22 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I think with the gila nerf dropping the BCU would make the most sense. not sure what that will mean for drone aggro though.

36848 Burner Antero



whoo a new one Shocked