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Burner Mission - Ship advice to solo them including fittings

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jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#501 - 2015-05-24 14:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: jackudza
Angel Anomic Base - Vigilant T2
Time to complete: ~2:41
Angel Anomic Base - Sacrilege
Time to complete: ~4:36
Angel Anomic Base - Cyclone
Time to complete: ~3:38

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron can be used instead of tracking computer. Shows slightly better time ~2:35-2:45.
Sometimes one of the dramiels will follow drones. It may stop at half way and switch to vigilant or kill one drone and then switch.
You can change Drone Damage Amplifier II to Magnetic Field Stabilizer II so Dramiels will be killed faster that way you lower the risk of overheating some low slot modules. Or you can change Drone Damage Amplifier II to Damage Control II. Finally you can pimp this fit.
Suggestions: DO NOT web in advance you can start at 4-5km not earlier. DO NOT overheat Medium Armor Repairer II - very high risk to burn modules in low slots.


[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Tracking Computer II / Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Vespa II x5


Also tried the fit without Cap Booster. Works well.

[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base capstable]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II or Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Vespa II x5




[Sacrilege, Angel Anomic Base - Sacrilege T2]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Armor EM Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II

Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Vespa II x5



[Sacrilege, Angel Anomic Base]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor EM Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb

Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Vespa II x5




[Cyclone, Angel Anomic Base]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II

True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Vespa II x5
dark dreamur
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#502 - 2015-05-26 00:54:14 UTC
for the daredevil burner is there only a t2 rocket fit option ?
Oovarvu
C.O.L.D.
#503 - 2015-05-28 15:59:02 UTC
just a quick word of warning about the smartbomb fits for angel burner missions. be very sure noone will follow you in to the mission as the chances for getting concorded are very good if someone does.

other than that, great fit i love it.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#504 - 2015-05-29 19:10:19 UTC
just ran the burner talos (twice) in an incursion system with ~80% activity. the deimos is over tanked (only took a few percentage points off my resists). The dps hit made it take a bit longer, although they don't seem to rep so not too much longer. I even survived a DC in point range. the -10.5m to the bounty kinda sucked, but got a faction drop (low value) on one of the runs.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#505 - 2015-05-30 08:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
General advise
- Small Drones will be targeted immediately, you can use TI Drones (Hornets) as sacrifice to lower the DPS on you or Acolyte to do extra DPS. Initial DPS to tank is ~450 without using sacrificial Drones. Using sacrificial Drones you don't need tank at all but i won't recommend that.
- Burn 1x OH MWD cycle towards the Transport, you will be webed and scramed soon, double web the closest Dramiel and use keep at range at optimal DPS then OH your Blaster.


Burner Escort Dramiel - Vigilant sacrificial Drone setup
This setup is based on using sacrificial Drones, you have to use your Drones otherwise your tank will be not sufficient.

Time to kill ~2:45min
DPS
731 + 70 Hornet I
840 Void hot ~1:20min + 70 Hornet I
Tank
EHP 25k
266 perma vs Escort Dramiel
Speed 2104m/s hot 3012m/s

Quote:
[Vigilant, Burner Angel]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I


Hornet I x10




Burner Escort Dramiel - Vigilant
This setup is based on not using Drones at all. The Acolyte will do extra DPS and are sacrificial Drones if you want to use them.

Time to kill ~2:35min
DPS
762 + 66 Acolyte I
877 Void hot ~1:20min + 66 Acolyte I
Tank
EHP 27.3k
484 perma vs Escort Dramiel
Speed 2104m/s hot 3012m/s

Quote:
[Vigilant, Burner Angel pimped]
Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Core B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener

Corelum B-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II


Acolyte I x10

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Inspector Dex
Doomheim
#506 - 2015-05-30 10:47:32 UTC
snake03 wrote:
Hernani Ferrando wrote:
solo, no implants,no links.
Enyo,GURISTAS BURNER works 100%
[Enyo, BURSTWORMSOLA]

Overdrive Injector System II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Overdrive Injector System II
Small Armor Repairer II

Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 200
Warp Scrambler II
1MN Microwarpdrive II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
[Empty High slot]

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I


Acolyte II x1

turn on micro aproach,keep at range 500 enable your hardener and armor rep when you are about to lose all shield, burn micro when you are at 28km when you are at 12 km overheat your scram , micro off keep at 500m overheating your hardener and your weapons



I just killed the worm on sisi with a similiar fit except I had a warp stab in my low. Took me about 6 tries to get a tackle... Would have been 6 ship losses if it wasn't for the stab.. Was able to complete it with the stab fit .



I just tried this and it was utter fail. Couldn't get closer than 35km. Only started at 45 to boot.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#507 - 2015-05-30 22:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
Inspector Dex wrote:


I just tried this and it was utter fail. Couldn't get closer than 35km. Only started at 45 to boot.


did the tank died before or didnt get you a tackle ?
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
#508 - 2015-05-31 11:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aghira
Inspector Dex wrote:


I just tried this and it was utter fail. Couldn't get closer than 35km. Only started at 45 to boot.


Did you overheat your MWD?

I use a similar fit and had never any problems tackling the Worm:

Needs a 4% CPU Implant or a full Genolution set.
Speed: 3091 - 4402 OG (with Genolution: 3243 - 4619 OH)
DPS: 313 (330 with Drone)
Tank: 346 against Kinetic

[Enyo,  Guristas Burner (Worm)]
Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator II

Acolyte II x1
Void S x1000
Navy Cap Booster 400 x8

Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)

english is not my native language.
Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#509 - 2015-06-01 05:28:10 UTC
Does Enyo require acceleration control 5? I have only acceleration control 4 trained. I tried a couple of Enyo fits and usually burned my mwd before I could catch it. I managed to kill burner once and lost my Enyo when I burned my capacitor booster and couldn't tank it long enough without it.
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
#510 - 2015-06-01 06:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Aghira
Julius Cabeki wrote:
Does Enyo require acceleration control 5? I have only acceleration control 4 trained. I tried a couple of Enyo fits and usually burned my mwd before I could catch it. I managed to kill burner once and lost my Enyo when I burned my capacitor booster and couldn't tank it long enough without it.


Acceleration control 4 should be enough. How is your Thermodynamics skill? And a full genolution set gives you ~150m/s more.

Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)

english is not my native language.
Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#511 - 2015-06-01 14:52:51 UTC
My thermodynamics is also 4. I usually ended one or two mwd cycles short. Would a small engine thermal shielding be more useful than the second small auxiliary thruster?
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
#512 - 2015-06-01 15:37:48 UTC
I doubt it. With thermodynamics 4 and one engine thermal shielding II you would gain ~2 seconds of heat according to EFT.

Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)

english is not my native language.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#513 - 2015-06-01 21:57:02 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
Update 30.05.2015:
Rudimentary guide how to blitz LvL 4 with Burner missions and make ridiculous amounts of LP and ISK.
Patch Carnyx: Frequency of Burner Missions offered by level 4 Security agents has been lowered.


do you find that you still get burner missions inside of 3 jumps? I tend to average about 5 jumps for mine, and seeing one 3 or less seems very rare. maybe I need to move agents?

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#514 - 2015-06-02 17:56:45 UTC

  • Frequency of Burner Missions offered by level 4 Security agents has been lowered.


any1 been running them since patch can share the how much different it is?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#515 - 2015-06-02 18:26:18 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
Update 30.05.2015:
Rudimentary guide how to blitz LvL 4 with Burner missions and make ridiculous amounts of LP and ISK.
Patch Carnyx: Frequency of Burner Missions offered by level 4 Security agents has been lowered.


do you find that you still get burner missions inside of 3 jumps? I tend to average about 5 jumps for mine, and seeing one 3 or less seems very rare. maybe I need to move agents?

Dodixie - "<4" is very rare case

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#516 - 2015-06-03 06:21:29 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:

  • Frequency of Burner Missions offered by level 4 Security agents has been lowered.


any1 been running them since patch can share the how much different it is?


I think I'm getting more burner missions, had a bad decline run got to -2 (unmodified) agent standing, and now I'm up to 5.0+

although I've played all day and only got one atomic base. Sad

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Pakokkie
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#517 - 2015-06-03 21:22:42 UTC
jackudza wrote:
Angel Anomic Base - Vigilant T2
Time to complete: ~2:41
Angel Anomic Base - Sacrilege
Time to complete: ~4:36
Angel Anomic Base - Cyclone
Time to complete: ~3:38

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron can be used instead of tracking computer. Shows slightly better time ~2:35-2:45.
Sometimes one of the dramiels will follow drones. It may stop at half way and switch to vigilant or kill one drone and then switch.
You can change Drone Damage Amplifier II to Magnetic Field Stabilizer II so Dramiels will be killed faster that way you lower the risk of overheating some low slot modules. Or you can change Drone Damage Amplifier II to Damage Control II. Finally you can pimp this fit.
Suggestions: DO NOT web in advance you can start at 4-5km not earlier. DO NOT overheat Medium Armor Repairer II - very high risk to burn modules in low slots.


[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Tracking Computer II / Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Vespa II x5


Also tried the fit without Cap Booster. Works well.

[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base capstable]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II or Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Vespa II x5


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The Vigilante setup works fine for this mission.

The frigates do insane damage. I managed to finish this without overheating and did not use the cap injector.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#518 - 2015-06-03 22:53:51 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Pakokkie wrote:
jackudza wrote:


[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base]
...


Also tried the fit without Cap Booster. Works well.

[Vigilant, Angel Anomic Base capstable]
...

The Vigilante setup works fine for this mission.

The frigates do insane damage. I managed to finish this without overheating and did not use the cap injector.

I think that was joke? My Vigilant fitted by fit number 1 was killed in less than 1 minute O_o
To note: 4 Burner escort Dramiels.

Edit: watched the video.... Damn.... That Vigilant spend the whole time overheating its modules and barely survived... And still it was said "Don't overheat your repairer" and "done it without overheat".... Thanks guys for good advises Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#519 - 2015-06-04 04:24:12 UTC
bleh forums ate my post as I copy/pasta'd from my logs and that is html

but yea I used a slightly pimped (hardeners and rep) version and completed in ~2:40. Mostly just overloaded a hardener and the rep. My drones killed the transport before I was done killing the drams. used 3 cap booster 800s. Will probably bring a MWD and a mobile depot on my next run, as slowboating for the loot sucks. Or maybe just a MTU.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#520 - 2015-06-04 16:04:49 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

Edit: watched the video.... Damn.... That Vigilant spend the whole time overheating its modules and barely survived... And still it was said "Don't overheat your repairer" and "done it without overheat".... Thanks guys for good advises Lol


On the video there is a worst case scenario. If one frigate will agro drone then you almost do not need to overheat (you will loose 1 drone in this case). Even if your repairer or hardener dead and only one frigate left it is enough time to kill it without loosing the ship (happened to me a couple of times when I tried to overheat armor repairer).
Also you can fit more tank to 2 low slots instead of damage mods or use deadspace armor repairer - in this case overheating is not required at all.

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
...
Will probably bring a MWD and a mobile depot on my next run, as slowboating for the loot sucks. Or maybe just a MTU.


Does Angel Cartel Trasport drop any valuable loot? I thought only dramiels do.