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Sansha Faction Modules
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Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#1 - 2014-08-25 06:24:52 UTC
Hiya!

well I was just checking markets once again and noticed that sansha faction mods are armor... (armor reps and hardeners) and their Capsuleer ships are supposed to be shield, kinda odd dont you think?

Well I was playing in eft and osmium and noticed that you can make armor NM. it has about 900 dps at lvl 5 skills and about 300 dps tank with excellent tracking and cap stability + 700m/s speed (this is pve fit) so maybe sansha ships are meant to be as armors. NM got 1+ lowslot recently with the ab buff so this makes a bit sense. but everytime I say NM could be armor ship all I get is "itz shieldzzz u nub, biomass ur self" And 1 addition: Sansha NPC's in missions are armor tanked Big smile


Discuss.

just my 2 tritaniums.

Aakkonen

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Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-25 08:18:05 UTC
First capsuleer to have found out about the Armor Nightmare. More news at 11.

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Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#3 - 2014-08-25 08:59:18 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
First capsuleer to have found out about the Armor Nightmare. More news at 11.


Judging from your last posts you dont seem very friendly in forum discussions. This is one of the reasons why eve isnt growing, community isnt welcoming unlike in other games. When stating that your a new player in new player channels and recruitment channels you get mostly comments that you should stop playing etc.

But anyways I am just here to see what other players thinks about NM and its armor abilities. And btw this is about the first discussion about it in here (search words Nightmare or armor Nightmare didnty gave results.)

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2014-08-25 09:27:31 UTC
Aakkonen wrote:
Camper101 wrote:
First capsuleer to have found out about the Armor Nightmare. More news at 11.


Judging from your last posts you dont seem very friendly in forum discussions. This is one of the reasons why eve isnt growing, community isnt welcoming unlike in other games. When stating that your a new player in new player channels and recruitment channels you get mostly comments that you should stop playing etc.

But anyways I am just here to see what other players thinks about NM and its armor abilities. And btw this is about the first discussion about it in here (search words Nightmare or armor Nightmare didnty gave results.)


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On the topic, many 'shield' ships are commonly armor tanked in order to get the most out of mid-slot utility. Mid slots are arguably more valuable than lowslots in many types of PvP because mids give you lots of utility, painters, webs, points, disruptors, ecm, cap boosters, optimal/tracking mods, multiple prop etc. On the other hand lowslots are mostly for tank, speed, damage and damage application modules. Thus it's more common to see armor tanked shield ships rather than shield tanked armor ships.

When talking about PvE though, shield is often king because it allows you to use the most damage mods possible. Personally I wouldn't really armor tank a Nightmare often because it has enough mids to have tank + utility and also because midslot utility mods tend to be more valuable on smaller ships.
Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#5 - 2014-08-25 10:03:54 UTC
Good point Dato, I have tried some shield fits in amarr epic arc missions, and thus far it seems that the shield tanks haves this cap trouble more often. and heavy cap booster takes 1 med slot + alot from cargo.

My armor fit NM does good dps at good range and can perma run all mods including 100mn AB. and it has this 200 dps tank. But it ofc depends ALOT of mission your doing, shield may succeed better in missions where you receive huge alpha but armor seems to work in missions where there is lower alpha but its continuos.

My only weakness is atm tracking disruption. Even 3 elite frigs can drop my optimal at 2km with Standard L and 3 Track comps with range script. but then helps that you fly off their optimal so I can have that few salvos before they lock me up again.

And I use Meta 4 tachs before I can get T2. Not gonna go faction way 'cos I'm cheapskate.

Aakkonen

Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-08-25 10:33:16 UTC
Aakkonen wrote:
Hiya!

well I was just checking markets once again and noticed that sansha faction mods are armor... (armor reps and hardeners) and their Capsuleer ships are supposed to be shield, kinda odd dont you think?

Well I was playing in eft and osmium and noticed that you can make armor NM. it has about 900 dps at lvl 5 skills and about 300 dps tank with excellent tracking and cap stability + 700m/s speed (this is pve fit) so maybe sansha ships are meant to be as armors. NM got 1+ lowslot recently with the ab buff so this makes a bit sense. but everytime I say NM could be armor ship all I get is "itz shieldzzz u nub, biomass ur self" And 1 addition: Sansha NPC's in missions are armor tanked Big smile


Discuss.

just my 2 tritaniums.

Aakkonen



Sansha ships used to be missile and armor boats in the past. They changed them but did not touch the faction modules.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#7 - 2014-08-25 11:01:13 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Aakkonen wrote:
Hiya!

well I was just checking markets once again and noticed that sansha faction mods are armor... (armor reps and hardeners) and their Capsuleer ships are supposed to be shield, kinda odd dont you think?

Well I was playing in eft and osmium and noticed that you can make armor NM. it has about 900 dps at lvl 5 skills and about 300 dps tank with excellent tracking and cap stability + 700m/s speed (this is pve fit) so maybe sansha ships are meant to be as armors. NM got 1+ lowslot recently with the ab buff so this makes a bit sense. but everytime I say NM could be armor ship all I get is "itz shieldzzz u nub, biomass ur self" And 1 addition: Sansha NPC's in missions are armor tanked Big smile


Discuss.

just my 2 tritaniums.

Aakkonen



Sansha ships used to be missile and armor boats in the past. They changed them but did not touch the faction modules.



Didnt knew that Smile I joined eve at late 2009 so it was changed before that, thx for the info P

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2014-08-25 11:06:48 UTC
Aakkonen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Aakkonen wrote:
Hiya!

well I was just checking markets once again and noticed that sansha faction mods are armor... (armor reps and hardeners) and their Capsuleer ships are supposed to be shield, kinda odd dont you think?

Well I was playing in eft and osmium and noticed that you can make armor NM. it has about 900 dps at lvl 5 skills and about 300 dps tank with excellent tracking and cap stability + 700m/s speed (this is pve fit) so maybe sansha ships are meant to be as armors. NM got 1+ lowslot recently with the ab buff so this makes a bit sense. but everytime I say NM could be armor ship all I get is "itz shieldzzz u nub, biomass ur self" And 1 addition: Sansha NPC's in missions are armor tanked Big smile


Discuss.

just my 2 tritaniums.

Aakkonen



Sansha ships used to be missile and armor boats in the past. They changed them but did not touch the faction modules.



Didnt knew that Smile I joined eve at late 2009 so it was changed before that, thx for the info P


Didn't know this either, learn something new every day about Eve.

As for PvE Nightmares, the cap issues because less of a problem on shield fits with good skills, usually you can pump out so much dps that you kill everything before cap/tank become a problem. However the Nightmare is weak against Guristas/Angels missions because it's locked into EM/Therm damage so you may have more problems there. TDs are also annoying but usually you can switch to really far range ammo with Tachs to get around this and also by primarying the TD ships.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-08-25 15:45:34 UTC
Aakkonen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Aakkonen wrote:
Hiya!

well I was just checking markets once again and noticed that sansha faction mods are armor... (armor reps and hardeners) and their Capsuleer ships are supposed to be shield, kinda odd dont you think?

Well I was playing in eft and osmium and noticed that you can make armor NM. it has about 900 dps at lvl 5 skills and about 300 dps tank with excellent tracking and cap stability + 700m/s speed (this is pve fit) so maybe sansha ships are meant to be as armors. NM got 1+ lowslot recently with the ab buff so this makes a bit sense. but everytime I say NM could be armor ship all I get is "itz shieldzzz u nub, biomass ur self" And 1 addition: Sansha NPC's in missions are armor tanked Big smile


Discuss.

just my 2 tritaniums.

Aakkonen



Sansha ships used to be missile and armor boats in the past. They changed them but did not touch the faction modules.



Didnt knew that Smile I joined eve at late 2009 so it was changed before that, thx for the info P



Was somewhere in late 2007 if memory serves me right.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#10 - 2014-08-25 15:50:42 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Sansha ships used to be missile and armor boats in the past. They changed them but did not touch the faction modules.

NPC Sansha ships are still armor tankers I believe. At some point, I'd like to see CCP re-align the modules and NPCs with player ships (and not just Sanshas), but that's a pretty low priority.

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Jacob Stov
#11 - 2014-08-25 22:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Stov
Sansha was split weapons. Laser + Missiles and armor tank. NPC's still are. Khanid were shield tank + lasers. Similar to the Guristas Ravens still sporting missiles + rails.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#12 - 2014-08-26 07:47:54 UTC
Old forums response

And people moaned as much then as now...
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-08-26 10:34:43 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Old forums response

And people moaned as much then as now...



Omg you digged deep to get there.. found any oil in the way?

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#14 - 2014-08-27 19:48:17 UTC
Armor NMs are often used in high end armor VGs as they out perform shield NMs when EANM + DCU tanked.

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