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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2014-08-27 07:10:09 UTC
Demerlis wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.



Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information?


Dinsdale strikes me as the kind of guy who would cite infowars as a reliable source of information so I can't say I'm surprised.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Prince Kobol
#102 - 2014-08-27 08:46:25 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.


By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that?


Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around.

Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week.

In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money.

I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen.

Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2014-08-27 09:03:13 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.


By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that?


Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around.

Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week.

In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money.

I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen.

Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs.


I never said anything about importance, but since you brought it up...


The 'important' customers are the game's intended audience. If the intended audience are happy, then the game is doing well.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#104 - 2014-08-27 09:16:05 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

But the casual players, they are leaving



Good

Get em out

Ban the lot of em I say

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Prince Kobol
#105 - 2014-08-27 09:53:51 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.


By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that?


Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around.

Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week.

In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money.

I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen.

Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs.


I never said anything about importance, but since you brought it up...


The 'important' customers are the game's intended audience. If the intended audience are happy, then the game is doing well.


You said that casual players were never going to stick around.. hence they are not important, hence CCP should not care.

Your wrong.
Solecist Project
#106 - 2014-08-27 09:57:54 UTC
You're* ... a thousand times!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#107 - 2014-08-27 10:00:50 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

Your wrong.


Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today.

Seriously though, wtf dude.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Beta Maoye
#108 - 2014-08-27 10:03:32 UTC
I think at least 5 years. Right now, nothing out there can truly challenge EVE. Those new games are just eye candies that are not even close to the depth of EVE.

In time, technological revolution in software and/or hardware will enable implementation of some creative ideas that the code base and infrastructure of EVE can no longer catch up. EVE will then be slowly phased out. It will be much like Samsung and Iphone replacing Nokia. But then we may have already moved to EVE 2.
Prince Kobol
#109 - 2014-08-27 10:07:15 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:

Your wrong.


Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today.

Seriously though, wtf dude.


Whilst Dinsdale is full of crap, saying that casual players are not important as they are not going to stick around is also crap.

You shouldn't fight crap with crap as all it makes is more crap Big smile
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#110 - 2014-08-27 10:10:53 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:

Your wrong.


Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today.

Seriously though, wtf dude.


Whilst Dinsdale is full of crap, saying that casual players are not important as they are not going to stick around is also crap.

You shouldn't fight crap with crap as all it makes is more crap Big smile



That's good, but its not right.

Your reply has nothing to do with my comment.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Prince Kobol
#111 - 2014-08-27 11:09:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:

Your wrong.


Seriously is becoming my seriously most used word today.

Seriously though, wtf dude.


Whilst Dinsdale is full of crap, saying that casual players are not important as they are not going to stick around is also crap.

You shouldn't fight crap with crap as all it makes is more crap Big smile



That's good, but its not right.

Your reply has nothing to do with my comment.



Hehehe, I have actually met Roy Walker on more than a few occasions . He used to live pretty close to me and I would talk to him at our local petrol station filling up his Rolls Royce early in the morning on my way to work.

Nice Bloke.
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
#112 - 2014-08-27 11:15:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
August - Breeze wrote:
EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.

EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.




Thought I heard it all. Now I have.

The history books will record that "though EVE survived scandal after scandal, new game launch after new game launch, and 11 years as a subscription MMO when the rest of the industry went free to play, it was the deleting of easy to make/replace overviews that speleed the end of EVE Online".............


I hope Hillmar does not run is company thinking the way you do. History has shown that most business leaders who though their company to be invincible has eventually seen their organization fallen into irrelevancy. Just like where CCP is slowly going atm. That being said, I would suggest him to read "Good To Great" from Jim Collins. Could help him understand why is company no longer is winning...and how he could get it back on tracks again.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2014-08-27 15:22:37 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.


By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that?


Being a casual player does not mean that you will not stick around.

Being a casual player means that.. your casual, you only play a few hours a week.

In regards to subs a player playing only a few hours a week is the same as somebody who plays 30 hours a week. They both pay the same money.

I am sure there are many people who only play a few hours a week due to RL commitments or simply because they do not want to spend hours upon hours in front of a computer screen.

Some people might just like to mine, some might like to run a few missions, some might like to do a little exploration, others a bit of pew pew, either way, they are still as important as those who put in lots of hours in regards to subs.


I never said anything about importance, but since you brought it up...


The 'important' customers are the game's intended audience. If the intended audience are happy, then the game is doing well.


You said that casual players were never going to stick around.. hence they are not important, hence CCP should not care.

Your wrong.


My wrong? I dunno... you're (ie a compound word meaning 'you are') the one putting words in my mouth so I'd call this one 'your wrong'.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#114 - 2014-08-27 15:27:18 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

Hehehe, I have actually met Roy Walker on more than a few occasions . He used to live pretty close to me and I would talk to him at our local petrol station filling up his Rolls Royce early in the morning on my way to work.

Nice Bloke.


I dunno, when I met him in a BB's Coffee And Muffins he was being very nasty to the nice girl who used to make my coffee because she brought his mother (Yes! She must have been like a billion years old) the wrong type of scone.

He didn't say his Catchphrase

He said "That's ******* ***** and its not ******* right!" or words to that effect

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#115 - 2014-08-27 15:34:36 UTC
His wrong.
It's always his wrong.

It's never ones own wrong.

The sad part is that this guy is so full of himself that he doesn't even care.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#116 - 2014-08-27 16:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
Casual players, someone who spends limited time playing either because of other obligations or through choice.

Casual players still pay a subscription (30 days license) doesn't matter how long they play for during that 30 days.

I'd think casuals are more likely to stick around and less prone to being burnt out.

One thing that serious gamers add is themselves and in MMOs people tend to attract people. Games that start to lose people and start to feel deserted tend not to be too attractive to other gamers.

Serious and casuals are both important.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#117 - 2014-08-27 17:38:37 UTC
It will die the day CCP turns high sec into a completely safe zone where non consensual pvp doesn't exist. Atleast that when I would expect eve to die and my subs shortly there after.

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