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The great T3 rebalance
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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#181 - 2014-08-28 19:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Kagura Nikon wrote:

My tengu moves almost 3 km/s, just learn how tengus are REALLY fit for speed. And in fact how any of the non proteus t3 are really fit when on kiting mode.


Albeit with implants, links, yada yada and a fair bit of pimp etc. but done the whole 100mn AB tengu 3km/s/10s align, adrestia style prot almost 6km/s with about 5 second align, etc. sadly don't really have the skill to fly something like that as a regular thing.

But yeah its about fitting a t3 to take advantage of its attributes to end up at a similar result rather than just sticking with a like for like approach to fitting.

My thoughts basically are though that the whole augmented plating, etc. style t3s should be basically closer to battlecruisers/commandships whereas the other subs are less tanky but closer/t2 to cruisers in terms of mobility, etc.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#182 - 2014-08-28 20:09:42 UTC
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My tengu moves almost 3 km/s, just learn how tengus are REALLY fit for speed. And in fact how any of the non proteus t3 are really fit when on kiting mode.


I'm not talking about snaked/linked things. I'm comparing ships as they are. If you add Snakes and links, of course everything becomes possible, you can fly a kiting Apocalypse if you want. Is it realistic ? No.

Thank you, I know about 100MN AB super-tanker-agility T3s.

That doesn't change the fact that T3s aren't agile nor fast in regular kiting setups. They are among the slowest cruisers around no matter which subsystem you use. Only exceptions are 100MN ABs, but you get a stupidly high align time. Woohoo.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2014-08-28 20:14:27 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
Quote:
My tengu moves almost 3 km/s, just learn how tengus are REALLY fit for speed. And in fact how any of the non proteus t3 are really fit when on kiting mode.


I'm not talking about snaked/linked things. I'm comparing ships as they are. If you add Snakes and links, of course everything becomes possible, you can fly a kiting Apocalypse if you want. Is it realistic ? No.

Thank you, I know about 100MN AB super-tanker-agility T3s.

That doesn't change the fact that T3s aren't agile nor fast in regular kiting setups. They are among the slowest cruisers around no matter which subsystem you use. Only exceptions are 100MN ABs, but you get a stupidly high align time. Woohoo.



CHECK the agility. Tengus are quite agile. At least more agile than ANYTHIGN with remotely the same EHP.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#184 - 2014-08-28 20:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
SMT008 wrote:

I'm not talking about snaked/linked things. I'm comparing ships as they are.


You can't compare them as they are though (even ignoring snakes and silly stuff like that) if you take a slightly different approach towards the same goal as a cerberus for instance you end up with a tengu that does ~1800ms, 6.2 align, while having slightly more EHP, same dps, slightly less missile range but better ability to apply missile damage. (And while it can't quite beat the MWD performance it has very slightly better base speed and mobility).

EDIT: That isn't to say that is an ideal way to go about it - its an ugly mess as fits go - or that the side of t3s that are more about agility, etc. doesn't need addressing. But if your literally transposing module for module a fit from a HAC to a T3 and not liking the results your missing what T3s are about.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#185 - 2014-08-28 21:13:28 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:

CHECK the agility. Tengus are quite agile. At least more agile than ANYTHIGN with remotely the same EHP.


Yep, 17s align time. Totally agile.

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But if your literally transposing module for module a fit from a HAC to a T3 and not liking the results your missing what T3s are about.


I'm not taking a Cerberus fit and throw it on a Tengu.

I'm trying to make a MWD T3 that reaches cruiser-level speeds. Guess what, no matter which subsystems you use, no matter how many nanos you use, you can't.

The only T3 that reaches 2km/s is the Loki. That's with crappy agility (For a nano-ed Minmatar cruiser), and a 600m/s advantage for the Vagabond.
Joyce Isu
Jita Trade Inc.
#186 - 2014-08-28 21:42:30 UTC
If CCP removes SP loss i can finally train all subsystems to 5 and lose tengus everwhere without giving a **** Lol
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#187 - 2014-08-28 21:44:55 UTC
Shield prot, no links, t2 modules, over 2km/s, 6s align, 70% more EHP than a comparable HAC, dps a bit mixed depending on what you want tracking and projection wise. (Don't hate hah).
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