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New nebulas, ruined potential

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Razin
The Scope
#21 - 2011-11-23 19:20:36 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Razin wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans, please make that 200MB optional package available for hi0rex nebulae!

Pretty sure it would be much larger than that, but I have no issues with this whatsoever.

Yes, my mistake, looks like 200 meg is what we have now. The actual size for the optional download of uncompressed backgrounds was apparently estimated at around 2Gig. Here's the link for the statement.

I'm completely ok with that size download.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
WE FORM V0LTA
#22 - 2011-11-23 20:31:39 UTC
I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Captain Alcatraz
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#23 - 2011-11-23 20:34:46 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all.


Indeed, one per constellation would be the best, but asking for high-res backgrounds and that is quite a lot, gotta start somewhere
Oberine Noriepa
#24 - 2011-11-23 21:45:49 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all.

While I definitely do want this, I think baby steps are best advised right now. I wouldn't mind increasing granularity little by little for every expansion. Right now, however, I'm fine with being satisfied for better quality nebula maps than what we have now.

Somal Thunder
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-11-23 22:25:54 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all.

While I definitely do want this, I think baby steps are best advised right now. I wouldn't mind increasing granularity little by little for every expansion. Right now, however, I'm fine with being satisfied for better quality nebula maps than what we have now.


I agree with this. Regardless of whether or not this is done with high priority or not, I definitely want to see high-quality backdrops in the foreseeable future. What I love about the game is that it gets more realistic every year. In the future, I envision that everything will be completely different. Just as everything is completely different now than it was in the beginning.
Lek Arthie
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-11-23 22:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lek Arthie
This post has 26 likes. This shows how many people really want those uber duper nebulas that you and your uber duper computer want.
Really, you dont have to be that selfish. Nebulas are already very nice and detailed. Color depth is a problem yes but i dont think it has to do with low end computers. Color depth doesn't have that much impact on performance.
And you might not, but some people are involved in large fleet battles and in that fight every fps counts, and the last thing you care is a high detail nebula eating your fps. I prefer having all brackets on than having a uber detailed nebula....
I dont understand what kind of more detailed nebulas you want. Those are already like real photos from telescopes. Some people even think they are too bright. Any more detail i dont think will add realism.

Besides super high detail graphics are not what makes a game good. Imo adding direction to stargates and the appearance of nearby stars on background are way way way better and more realistic than high detail super nebulas. I can even live with old nebulas and have this new star system change.
Oberine Noriepa
#27 - 2011-11-23 23:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Oberine Noriepa
It's not that we're asking for more detail to be added, because the detail is already in the original cube maps. What we're asking for is cube maps with higher image quality. Look at the Crucible wallpapers. The nebulae in the game aren't as sharp as the nebulae in those wallpapers. If we can get in-game nebulae on par with those wallpapers, I will be satisfied.

CCP has worked long and hard on this project. I would think that after such hard work, they would like their nebulae rendered in great quality. The current image quality of the nebulae holds them from displaying their true greatness, in my opinion.

Advocating against something like this is kind of ridiculous. It's like asking an artist to create a painting for you, but settling for a photograph of the painting instead of the actual thing.

One of the suggestions in the huge Visual Papercuts thread is "Go nuts with state of the art graphics but allow people to turn things off". What's wrong with having options? If people want to dedicate more of their system's resources to rendering the game, then that's their business.

COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
#28 - 2011-11-23 23:30:27 UTC
Lek Arthie wrote:
This post has 26 likes. This shows how many people really want those uber duper nebulas that you and your uber duper computer want.
Really, you dont have to be that selfish. Nebulas are already very nice and detailed. Color depth is a problem yes but i dont think it has to do with low end computers. Color depth doesn't have that much impact on performance.
And you might not, but some people are involved in large fleet battles and in that fight every fps counts, and the last thing you care is a high detail nebula eating your fps. I prefer having all brackets on than having a uber detailed nebula....
I dont understand what kind of more detailed nebulas you want. Those are already like real photos from telescopes. Some people even think they are too bright. Any more detail i dont think will add realism.

Besides super high detail graphics are not what makes a game good. Imo adding direction to stargates and the appearance of nearby stars on background are way way way better and more realistic than high detail super nebulas. I can even live with old nebulas and have this new star system change.


No one is forcing you guys or other guys with lower or mid range computers to have everything on and on high settings. This is why people ask for options. An easy drop-down list (off, low , medium, high) or something less complex (off, low, high) meaning no compression or almost none when running high.

If this is a matter of client size, well let it be an optional download on the website that until you install it there will be no high setting or it will be greyed out.

And also since this is a compression issue not that higher settings don't exist I don't really see an issue.


Options instead of forcing people.....

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-11-24 07:43:30 UTC
@ CCP:

I would pay, lets say a PLEX (Aurum equiv), for downloadble high res nebulae.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
#30 - 2011-11-24 10:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonaura
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I still think there needs to be more than one backdrop per region. Some of the regions are just so large once-per-region don't make sense at all.



Newsflash: Space is big. Nebula's are also... big :)

Please note this image takes a LONG time to appear... because... space is big. :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg

But agree with the righteous demands for hi-res nebulas! I support the player bases war of terror!

EDIT: But wow... that is the universe we live in. The only image compression going on here are black holes :)

"The game is mostly played by men - 97%. But 40% of them play as women... so thats fine."  - CCP t0rfifrans 

Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#31 - 2011-11-24 11:25:17 UTC
Guys do you saw nebulas in new RPG game Skyrim ? they looks just awesome in (skill tree) i know those nebulas got fantasy themes, but they just look awesome i mean this grafic concept and art, i wish we got nebulas art like in Skyrim rpg game...

If it bleed we can kill it.

Oberine Noriepa
#32 - 2011-11-24 12:07:50 UTC
If anyone could get a dev to acknowledge this thread, that would be great.

Oxylan wrote:
Guys do you saw nebulas in new RPG game Skyrim ? they looks just awesome in (skill tree) i know those nebulas got fantasy themes, but they just look awesome i mean this grafic concept and art, i wish we got nebulas art like in Skyrim rpg game...

Pics?

Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
#33 - 2011-11-24 12:27:09 UTC
Oxylan wrote:
Guys do you saw nebulas in new RPG game Skyrim ? they looks just awesome in (skill tree) i know those nebulas got fantasy themes, but they just look awesome i mean this grafic concept and art, i wish we got nebulas art like in Skyrim rpg game...


Seriously? *Wonders if trolling* Eve's Nebula's are 100x better than those, they look absolutely stunning.

"The game is mostly played by men - 97%. But 40% of them play as women... so thats fine."  - CCP t0rfifrans 

Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#34 - 2011-11-24 12:44:45 UTC
Oxylan wrote:
Guys do you saw nebulas in new RPG game Skyrim ? they looks just awesome in (skill tree) i know those nebulas got fantasy themes, but they just look awesome i mean this grafic concept and art, i wish we got nebulas art like in Skyrim rpg game...


Those arn't nebulae, those are aurora borealis. But yes they do look pretty, nearly walked off a few cliffs looking at them.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
WE FORM V0LTA
#35 - 2011-11-24 12:50:07 UTC
Moonaura wrote:
Newsflash: Space is big. Nebula's are also... big :)

Please note this image takes a LONG time to appear... because... space is big.


Yes, but these nebula are near, around or in between the regions, and more granularity is needed.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Captain Alcatraz
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#36 - 2011-11-24 17:46:35 UTC
Dont ignore this CCP, let us know what you think
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#37 - 2011-11-24 23:18:45 UTC
Just DARKEN the Lonetrek Nebulae PLEASE !!!!!!

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#38 - 2011-11-25 04:03:35 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
If anyone could get a dev to acknowledge this thread, that would be great.

Oxylan wrote:
Guys do you saw nebulas in new RPG game Skyrim ? they looks just awesome in (skill tree) i know those nebulas got fantasy themes, but they just look awesome i mean this grafic concept and art, i wish we got nebulas art like in Skyrim rpg game...

Pics?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRgDWokfa6E

If it bleed we can kill it.

Oberine Noriepa
#39 - 2011-11-25 07:29:56 UTC
Oxylan wrote:
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
If anyone could get a dev to acknowledge this thread, that would be great.

Oxylan wrote:
Guys do you saw nebulas in new RPG game Skyrim ? they looks just awesome in (skill tree) i know those nebulas got fantasy themes, but they just look awesome i mean this grafic concept and art, i wish we got nebulas art like in Skyrim rpg game...

Pics?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRgDWokfa6E

That's a really cool skill tree layout!

Blood Pixy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-11-25 08:54:35 UTC
I'm all for making it optional to use higher resolution nebulae backdrops. I've got 4GB total of VRAM. My machine can more than handle the nebulae in full resolution.

Make it happen, CCP. They're far too beautiful to go to waste on such a low resolution.
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