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Skyrim Sucks

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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2011-11-23 19:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
lol @ all the anti-piracy stuff.

Sorry, but yes i download my games before i buy them. I got tired of paying for trash years ago. If i enjoy the game, 'll buy it. I own Morrowind, i own Guild Wars, Mass Effect, etc.

Of course, i downloaded all of these games before purchasing them also. Your opinion that piracy is bad, is your opinion. My opinion is that forcing consumers to buy a mystery box without them knowing whats inside is wrong. And the way these companies pay off review sites to outright lie about the quality of the game has made trusting their mystery boxes that much more difficult.

So instead of putting up with their bait-n-switch game, i download the product first and see if its actually worth my money, before paying for it.

Skyrim in this case wasnt even worth the 5gb download. Its deleted off my computer now. I might give it a try next year, but if Oblivion is any indicator, they wont improve anything for the PC

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
One of the MAIN reasons I am against piracy.

People will not only admit that they have pirated the game (Against US law BTW in case you forgot) but actually review a PIRATED COPY!

This kind of crap has led to games perishing due to leaked or damaged pirated versions causing some review sites to trash it. Giving the company a bad rep and loss of sales from even people who would have bought the game.

This isn't a forum for you to spew your crap and your entitlement to use pirated software. Leave


Your opinion that because its cracked, it will be riddled with bugs and this fact alone will cause reviewers to give it a bad review, and is destroying the entire gaming industry? really?

I'll tell you whats destroying the game industry. My friend who wanted to BUY a legitimate copy of Skyrim and is unable to because they dont want to sell it in her Region. The only way for her to play Skyrim is to steal it.

What else is killing the game industry? When i PAY for a videogame and then im restricted to installing it only 3 times. And i have to PAY more money to continue playing if i reformat or upgrade to windows8

What else? Game companies who pay review sites thousands of dollars, or 'donate' tons of free crap to review sites to BUY their reviews.

People will always steal these games, thats a plain fact. I've just started using this ability to avoid paying for things i dont want.

If i go to buy a car, i get to Test Drive it first. And the game industry USED to let me test the games out fist. This is of course before they realized they could sell a lot more retail copies by NOT telling you whats inside of it

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2011-11-23 19:37:16 UTC
Obsidian Dagger wrote:
It took me a couple days to realise you could even USE the keyboard in the menu.
Tab to open inventory has been a feature of PC games for, oh I dunno, over a decade now? Maybe two?

I have a couple mods for memory utilization and graphical improvementsto make full use of my PC's graphical capability, but thats really it. Stock game looks 10x better than either console version anyway.

No major bugs (one CTD but honestly, I don't think I really ought to have been running two other screens and videos at the same time anyway)

tl:dr - Buy the game before you whine about broken ****.

Tab has traditionally been used to bring up a scoreboard. However yes, using tab isnt terrible, im not complaining about that. what im complaining about is the fact i have to press tab, then right, then right. then down down down, then right right, then E, then M1, all to equip an item.

you CANT use your mouse to click on that compass menu that comes up from pressing Tab. it does NOT FUNCTION there. Similar with other parts of the game's menu, like the Character Creation screen, theres no 'next' button even, you have to just discover all the buttons and discover if you need to select it from the keyboard to use it, or if you have to click it to work.

Yes, the entire UI is a mix between keyboard interface and Mouse interface. None of the UI elements are able to be controlled uniformly. Imagine trying to create a sell order, you have to select the item with WSAD keys, then rightclick it, then use WSAD keys to select 'sell' from the menu, etc etc.... going back and forth between keyboard/mouse/keyboard/mouse


You might get used to it after you learn what parts of the UI respond to what input devices, but to me this is a deal breaker. They completely ignored their PC quality testing, or their PC testers were complete morons. Its not worth my money if they cant even spend the time to properly port it to the PC

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2011-11-23 19:40:15 UTC
As for the anti-piracy people, i completely agree piracy is a bad thing, however what is worse is Game Publishers PAYING other review sites to LIE about the quality of the game. This is what made me turn to piracy to save money. I am simply unable to tell what game is good anymore. Im tired of paying full 70 dollars for a game that im not even going to play. I am tired of being lied to by review sites who give games a 9/10 standard score even if the game is unplayable

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Endeavour Starfleet
#24 - 2011-11-23 20:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
You seriously think your beef with review sites gives you the green light to pirate and then review yourself? Roll

And in my opinion you don't think piracy is a bad thing, You believe you deserve your free game because new games cost 60 USD (And of course claim piracy has nothing to do with that price) and you deserve to not have to wait until it goes down with time (Because them evil game companies will keep it high forever right?). I know the mindset of many pirates and it isn't a pleasant one in my opinion.

Atleast most people that do it don't have the gall to review their cracked version on a forum full of potential buyers.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2011-11-23 20:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
You seriously think your beef with review sites gives you the green light to pirate and then review yourself? Roll

And in my opinion you don't think piracy is a bad thing, You believe you deserve your free game because new games cost 60 USD and you deserve to not have to wait until it goes down with time. I know the mindset of many pirates and it isn't a pleasant one in my opinion.

Atleast most people that do it don't have the gall to review their cracked version on a forum full of potential buyers.


No, i just dont think i should be forced to pay 60 dollars to TRY a videogame out for 2 hours and decide to uninstall it.
If i paid full retail price for Skyrim, i'd have been pretty pissed off. I only played it for a few hours and its completely uninstalled.

I dont think "i deserve free games", i think i deserve the right to try the game first and see if i like it. I shouldnt be forced into paying full retail price for something im not going to ever touch.

Where did you get this idea that im using piracy to avoid paying full retail price? I paid for 2x copies of final fantasy 7 when they came out, both full retail price. And then i bought a 3rd copy when my PSX disk broke.

I dont mind paying for things. I only have a problem when im forced to pay for CRAP that i dont want

Every review site said skyrim was the 'best game ever' etc etc... I cant see how it is. It doesnt even live up to the quality that Fallout3 provided, and thats from the same developer, years ago

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Endeavour Starfleet
#26 - 2011-11-23 20:11:55 UTC
There is hours upon hours of youtube plays of it. Live streaming etc... Forum reviews on various sites (From legit people not pirates)

You don't even have to rely on review sites so that is a BS excuse to pirate.

Instead of all these "Protect IP" acts and crap like that that can cause youtube to be shut down. The gov needs to give more funds to its enforcement arm for piracy. Obvious people feel far too free to admit they pirate and review on a regular basis.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-11-23 20:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
how did this thread even become about piracy?

I was simply commenting on the fact the UI is virtually unusable in the PC version, and the NPC scripting is from the 90's, not even on par with Fallout3 (which was pretty bad, but at least not obviously horrendous)

Stop talking about piracy. Im sorry i even mentioned that.

Lets pretend i paid for it, now i uninstalled it after 2 hours and wasted my 60 dollars

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2011-11-23 20:28:32 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
There is hours upon hours of youtube plays of it. Live streaming etc... Forum reviews on various sites (From legit people not pirates)

You don't even have to rely on review sites so that is a BS excuse to pirate.

Instead of all these "Protect IP" acts and crap like that that can cause youtube to be shut down. The gov needs to give more funds to its enforcement arm for piracy. Obvious people feel far too free to admit they pirate and review on a regular basis.


I feel entitled to having a opinion regardless if I pirate or not. It is my money that the studio, artist or developer is after and while I am all for paying for their work, I am also all for whether I like the product or not because my opinion rules supreme regardless what sites I visit or if I pirate or not.

As far as I am concerned, if you can't be arsed to have a small sample of whatever available to potential customers to try, you forgo any saying on the matter of piracy. If I am going to pay you $60 for a "AAA" game, I expect to be shocked and ******* amazed.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Endeavour Starfleet
#29 - 2011-11-23 20:33:08 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
how did this thread even become about piracy?

I was simply commenting on the fact the UI is virtually unusable in the PC version, and the NPC scripting is from the 90's, not even on par with Fallout3 (which was pretty bad, but at least not obviously horrendous)

Stop talking about piracy. Im sorry i even mentioned that.

Lets pretend i paid for it, now i uninstalled it after 2 hours and wasted my 60 dollars


It became about piracy when you decided to review a pirated product. Pretending about it only makes you that much less trustworthy of a reviewer in my opinion.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2011-11-23 20:40:01 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
There is hours upon hours of youtube plays of it. Live streaming etc... Forum reviews on various sites (From legit people not pirates)

You don't even have to rely on review sites so that is a BS excuse to pirate.

Instead of all these "Protect IP" acts and crap like that that can cause youtube to be shut down. The gov needs to give more funds to its enforcement arm for piracy. Obvious people feel far too free to admit they pirate and review on a regular basis.


I feel entitled to having a opinion regardless if I pirate or not. It is my money that the studio, artist or developer is after and while I am all for paying for their work, I am also all for whether I like the product or not because my opinion rules supreme regardless what sites I visit or if I pirate or not.

As far as I am concerned, if you can't be arsed to have a small sample of whatever available to potential customers to try, you forgo any saying on the matter of piracy. If I am going to pay you $60 for a "AAA" game, I expect to be shocked and ******* amazed.


Exactly this.

Just because i've pirated the game does not make my opinion of it any less valid. I wanted to love skyrim. I REALLY REALLY wanted another good SP RPG. I wanted to buy a collectors edition box with fancy cloth maps and art books. I almost preordered it from GameStop, but i didnt because of how they failed the Oblivion PC users. When i played Skyrim i was presented with Oblivion's problems amplified sevenfold.

I own the collectors editions of all the guildwars expansions. Collectors edition of Prey, etc etc etc. My closet is PACKED with game boxes full of collectors edition fluff to the point my girlfriend complains about it every week. she wants me to throw it all out.

But, even though i've probably spent close to 300 thousand dollars in videogames in my lifetime, my opinion on skyrim is invalid because i tried it before buying.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Endeavour Starfleet
#31 - 2011-11-23 20:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Yes it is because once you commit the crime you aren't supposed to be trusted that it is fully updated, hasn't been affected by whatever cracking means they used.

I also love it when pirates get exposed they claim they have endless games that they have bought. Roll Ya right the only thing in your closet in my opinion is DVD-Rs and markers.

Nothing you said is new to me. I knew some people who said the same thing (Oh I am just trying it.) Yet that trial just seems to go on forever and if they buy a game its at a bargain bin later (Because they dont want to slow down their other torrents) denying the developers badly needed funds.

Edit: Just be aware it is YOU and the pirates like you in my opinion why somehow the Protect IP act may actually pass. You give political ammo to use against everyone. And not even try to hide it.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2011-11-23 20:53:29 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Yes it is because once you commit the crime you aren't supposed to be trusted that it is fully updated, hasn't been affected by whatever cracking means they used.

I also love it when pirates get exposed they claim they have endless games that they have bought. Roll Ya right the only thing in your closet in my opinion is DVD-Rs and markers.

Nothing you said is new to me. I knew some people who said the same thing (Oh I am just trying it.) Yet that trial just seems to go on forever and if they buy a game its at a bargain bin later (Because they dont want to slow down their other torrents) denying the developers badly needed funds.


You should see my game collection. I'm quite proud of it. I have 2 working condition, unmodified NES american consoles and 1 top-loading NES system. 1 working SNES console unmodified. PS1, PS2 (soft modded and currently acts as a networked media hub). I have a full sized MAME arcade and even a pinball machine. I'm a bit of a collector. I love to own the legitimate real offical copy. I have an unopened originial PSX copy of final fantasy 7 thats worth over 260 dollars alone.

Its pretty ignorant to claim all pirates lie about their collections, and its even more ignorant to claim all pirate opinions on games are invalid. This is religious thinking at work. You make magical connections and dismiss facts based on your magical thinking.

Science prevails here. My skyrim isnt broken simply because its pirated. But if you want to BELIEVE it is, you can go ahead and live that fantasy, just leave me and my threads out of it

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Endeavour Starfleet
#33 - 2011-11-23 20:56:36 UTC
How do you know it isn't damaged or affected? Do you have a legit copy to compare it to? Damaged pirated games have caused massive damage to developers before.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2011-11-23 21:00:00 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
How do you know it isn't damaged or affected? Do you have a legit copy to compare it to? Damaged pirated games have caused massive damage to developers before.


Yes, i have several friends on steam who play it and have all confirmed its configured to be used with an xbox 360 controller out of the box (yes, the PC version) and they also complain about the trashy UI

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2011-11-23 21:02:34 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

I also love it when pirates get exposed they claim they have endless games that they have bought. Roll Ya right the only thing in your closet in my opinion is DVD-Rs and markers.


I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Here is my steam id: http://steamcommunity.com/id/bitter_bus_to_lemon_town

I would say that I have a fair collection of games.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Endeavour Starfleet
#36 - 2011-11-23 21:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Then why did you need to make the review. Why not post theirs? From legit copies? Why should we trust your review because you supposedly have steam friends with legit copies?

Edit: Sorry can't post my Steam ID as that would expose my main. (And you know what that means considering my topics on AFK cloaking) It is my main source of PC gaming tho.
SpaceSquirrels
#37 - 2011-11-23 21:06:39 UTC
It's not that your view is less valid it's just what kinda ******* steals and complains?
Essentially a spoiled attitude that rubs people the wrong way. Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum in a store.

Also for the "I should get a sample"... Well life doesn't always work as such, and you could have gotten a sample at a store with a demo. You can't possibly tell me every review site is paid off. Or look at the user reviews. I've seen plenty a game where if the review score is off from what the majority of people think there's hell to pay and people sure as hell leave comments.

You're not entitled to own a video game. If you dont want to pay or can't pay. Tough ****. There are no people starving in Africa because they can't afford or find a game.

Had you paid i'd say you have more than a right to complain and raise hell, but since you didn't...
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2011-11-23 21:10:47 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:


You can't possibly tell me every review site is paid off. Or look at the user reviews. I've seen plenty a game where if the review score is off from what the majority of people think there's hell to pay and people sure as hell leave comments.


First of all, you should turn off adblock or whatever BECAUSE YOU ARE HURTING THEIR REVENUE!!!!

And secondly, ever been to a review site that doesn't run heavy advertising for product X?

Roll

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2011-11-23 21:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Then why did you need to make the review. Why not post theirs? From legit copies? Why should we trust your review because you supposedly have steam friends with legit copies?

Edit: Sorry can't post my Steam ID as that would expose my main. (And you know what that means considering my topics on AFK cloaking) It is my main source of PC gaming tho.


You know what? Dont trust my review. Go and buy the PC version and see if you enjoy it. I posted my review because i wanted to. If you dont like it then you can ignore it. Im not going to argue why you should listen to me wtf. Go listen to whatever you've been told to



SpaceSquirrels wrote:
It's not that your view is less valid it's just what kinda ******* steals and complains?
Essentially a spoiled attitude that rubs people the wrong way. Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum in a store.

Also for the "I should get a sample"... Well life doesn't always work as such, and you could have gotten a sample at a store with a demo. You can't possibly tell me every review site is paid off. Or look at the user reviews. I've seen plenty a game where if the review score is off from what the majority of people think there's hell to pay and people sure as hell leave comments.

You're not entitled to own a video game. If you dont want to pay or can't pay. Tough ****. There are no people starving in Africa because they can't afford or find a game.

Had you paid i'd say you have more than a right to complain and raise hell, but since you didn't...



I have a hard time understanding how its 'theft' in the first place. Theft would imply that something has been removed from some one else's belongings without their consent.
Me downloading skyrim isnt doing this. If it wasnt for the fact i could download it, i simply never would have played it at all. The ability to download skyrim has not caused any sort of loss to its creators.

Infact, the only real loss caused by piracy in this case is the fact i was able to play the game and warn others about it before they fell for the 70 $ bait-n-switch box. I suspect this is the real reason most companies are against piracy.

I mean, if i could legally sell a car claiming it is "THE BEST CAR EVER" and then you roll out the driveway and realize its speed display is from another country, or all the car's seat belts are installed backwards and its break/gas pedals are installed backwards...

This is why you're able to test drive cars first.

The same reason you're able to view the inside of a home before buying it (some even let you stay there for a night or two before buying the house)

We as consumers have the right to know what product we're paying for. It is just ignorant to claim you have no right to do so. You're a corporate tool at that point.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

SpaceSquirrels
#40 - 2011-11-23 21:14:35 UTC
Just because a site advertises for them... doesn't mean it gets a good review... I've defiantly seen heavily advertised games get mediocre scores. Or previews before the game is released are less than favorable. In which case as I said before there are other sites not dedicated to gaming that review products. News sites, meta critic etc, and I dont see ads on there...