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Unscheduled Downtime - 22/08/2014

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Chequrself
Australian Belt Strippers
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres.
#161 - 2014-08-22 07:24:36 UTC
Update any time soon?
Verrnock Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2014-08-22 07:25:06 UTC
Sharron Yinari wrote:
Patrick TARPON wrote:
what is a DDOS attack ?

Direct Denial of Service




If someone wants to lag that server, they can get rent "proxy" machines, and cause them to constantly ping the server, and they server has to process every ping, so the faster the pings, the more lag, eventually the server will crash


Google is your friend. You should probably use it before you start spouting off incorrect information.
Ruck4s
Under Dog Industries
#163 - 2014-08-22 07:25:19 UTC
Party in the comms closet Shocked
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#164 - 2014-08-22 07:25:20 UTC
SF BrooD wrote:
im so sad right now :(

i wanna pew pew

go here m8 EVE-Offline the game
Dangra Mu'zgob
Parasitic Trading Systems
#165 - 2014-08-22 07:25:49 UTC
Agent Kailethre wrote:
I for one welcome our new lizard overlords.

+1

Trading for living / living for trading.

Alt of Shangra Mu'zgob

Shin Obad-Hai
Globus Intergalactic Property Holding
#166 - 2014-08-22 07:25:51 UTC
The timing is too suspicious to be a coincidence. Putting together the closing of somer Blink and the repeated DDoS attacks may be not just conspiracy theory. The attacks will not solve the lottery's case, but someone is thinking he have to revenge something what was not his at the first place anyway. UghWhat?

Hakaari Uisen wrote:
Not again, I have ships to fit out!! :-) Feed your hamsters CCP. Any idea on the cause this time?

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#167 - 2014-08-22 07:26:04 UTC
Whittorical Quandary wrote:
I wonder if as part of authenticating the game client for log in, they could require a detected up to date anti-virus detection.


No, no, no, no no.

This makes no sense.

This has nothing to do with some form of malicious code effective the server - it's simply a DDoS attack. To help you make sense of this, consider this example.

I find 5 million random people to load any web page, and get them all to load it up. I then, at the count of three, instruct them all to press the refresh button as often as possible, as quick as they can.

The result - the server that actually hosts that web page is unable to deal with that kind of traffic, and many people become unable to access that server in the first place - or in the worst case scenario, the server itself is literally so overwhelmed that it ceases to function until it is rebooted and everyone stops flooding it with so many requests.

A DDoS attack does not really require this kind of effort, however - in most cases it simply requires writing a quick script that does the same thing (floods a server with as many requests as possible as quickly as possible) - and then taking advantage of having other systems that the attacker can use to repeat this action.

Sure, many of the systems involved in botnet attacks like this are probably infected with something - but think of the average Windows user - their system is probably "infected" with at laest twenty random malware packages that they are not even aware of in the first place, half of these people probably stole a copy of their OS from some random torrent site and have been rootkitted from day one (And no "anti-virus" is going to help you, a proper root-kit runs before the OS itself even boots, making it mostly silly to even consider the possibility of detected said rootkit via the OS).... Also, not to mention, what happens to me when my Linux systems suddenly require a windows based anti-virus tool to verify that I should be allowed to log into EVE? Not seeing that as something that is going to work very well :P

The reality is, DDoS attacks like this are just part of how the internet works - and as the ISP's (CCP buys their bandwidth from a ISP, just like the rest of us!) experience more of these attacks, the infrastructure improves, patches get deployed, routers get smarter, and things get better :P Just snag a beer, chillax, and rest happy knowing EVE will be back soon. It always is :P
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#168 - 2014-08-22 07:26:17 UTC
Verrnock Altol wrote:
Sharron Yinari wrote:
Patrick TARPON wrote:
what is a DDOS attack ?

Direct Denial of Service




If someone wants to lag that server, they can get rent "proxy" machines, and cause them to constantly ping the server, and they server has to process every ping, so the faster the pings, the more lag, eventually the server will crash


Google is your friend. You should probably use it before you start spouting off incorrect information.

its Distributed Denial of Service
Brahan Seer
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2014-08-22 07:26:51 UTC
ddos mhmm probably more like a syn attack or your ARP tables got wrecked. WTB carrier grade hardware k thx.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2014-08-22 07:27:16 UTC
lemme add a bit to the discussion:


Quote:
DDoS mitigation is a set of techniques for resisting distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks on networks attached to the Internet by protecting the target and relay networks.[1] This is done by passing network traffic addressed to the attacked network through high-capacity networks with "traffic scrubbing" filters.[2] DDoS mitigation requires correctly identifying incoming traffic to separate human traffic from human-like bots and hijacked browsers.[3] The process is done by comparing signatures and examining different attributes of the traffic, including IP addresses, cookie variations, http headers, and Javascript footprints.[3]

Manual DDoS mitigation is no longer recommended due to DDoS attackers being able to circumvent DDoS mitigation software that is activated manually.[4] Best practices for DDoS mitigation include having both anti-DDoS technology and anti-DDoS emergency response services.[4] DDoS mitigation is also available through cloud-based providers.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDoS_mitigation


so, you can't stop it. you can only mitigate it, since you will need up to serious hardware (or, up to military level), depending on how hard it is, how fast, and how long it lasts.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

AWACS Sgt
A.W.A.C.S
#171 - 2014-08-22 07:27:26 UTC
evolution666 wrote:
I'm seriously getting tired of all these unscheduled downtimes. Make the server stable or loose players.....simple.


relax bro, ccp is on the case

it dosent help to scream at someone being interweb attacked, like me telling ya to get to work when you're sick in bed.
Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#172 - 2014-08-22 07:27:31 UTC
Verrnock Altol wrote:
Sharron Yinari wrote:
Patrick TARPON wrote:
what is a DDOS attack ?

Direct Denial of Service




If someone wants to lag that server, they can get rent "proxy" machines, and cause them to constantly ping the server, and they server has to process every ping, so the faster the pings, the more lag, eventually the server will crash


Google is your friend. You should probably use it before you start spouting off incorrect information.



what part of what he said was actually wrong? that is pretty much what a DDoS attack is...
a bunch of machines pinging the server a bunch of times until it crashes... im sure its more complicated than that but generally thats whats going on

GET IN THE VAN

Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#173 - 2014-08-22 07:28:26 UTC
im sure this has something to do with the somer blink ban thing...

GET IN THE VAN

Sharron Yinari
Xenomine Industries
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#174 - 2014-08-22 07:28:50 UTC
Verrnock Altol wrote:
Sharron Yinari wrote:
Patrick TARPON wrote:
what is a DDOS attack ?

Direct Denial of Service




If someone wants to lag that server, they can get rent "proxy" machines, and cause them to constantly ping the server, and they server has to process every ping, so the faster the pings, the more lag, eventually the server will crash


Google is your friend. You should probably use it before you start spouting off incorrect information.



dude I had to deal with ddos attacks on another game where we owned the server...I know what im talking about, it might not be fancy techno babble, but it gets the point across that someone creates a bunch of fast sending connections to the server causing the server to constantly process those packets of information, causing to lag, then crash...
LTC Vuvovich
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#175 - 2014-08-22 07:28:50 UTC
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
#176 - 2014-08-22 07:29:15 UTC
So .. rise of the machines?
StarLord Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2014-08-22 07:29:28 UTC
Listen, everyone, you should not post onto the twitter of these so called hackers(So pr0 using ddos like a 2 year old), they just want attention because they are sad little individuals that have nothing better to do than bring down a game.
Steadly Sol
Steadly Sprockets
#178 - 2014-08-22 07:30:04 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
lemme add a bit to the discussion:


Quote:
DDoS mitigation is a set of techniques for resisting distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks on networks attached to the Internet by protecting the target and relay networks.[1] This is done by passing network traffic addressed to the attacked network through high-capacity networks with "traffic scrubbing" filters.[2] DDoS mitigation requires correctly identifying incoming traffic to separate human traffic from human-like bots and hijacked browsers.[3] The process is done by comparing signatures and examining different attributes of the traffic, including IP addresses, cookie variations, http headers, and Javascript footprints.[3]

Manual DDoS mitigation is no longer recommended due to DDoS attackers being able to circumvent DDoS mitigation software that is activated manually.[4] Best practices for DDoS mitigation include having both anti-DDoS technology and anti-DDoS emergency response services.[4] DDoS mitigation is also available through cloud-based providers.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDoS_mitigation


so, you can't stop it. you can only mitigate it, since you will need up to serious hardware (or, up to military level), depending on how hard it is, how fast, and how long it lasts.



they have the military grade hardware. :)

ale rico
Virtus Crusade
Sev3rance
#179 - 2014-08-22 07:30:33 UTC
We were in the middle of a fight when this happened -.-
Veetor Nara
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#180 - 2014-08-22 07:30:39 UTC
It's down again.