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Yup. I think a lot of people are underestimating how helpful T2 resists can be.

Cheers i'll keep plugging away then

You do realize, Fozzie, that two valid ships per burner means that most people will have to cross-train just for these missions...

(In other words, they will skip them after loosing some isks, and the content becomes useless :/)

I thought it was more or less normal to train multiple races. also note that he was saying that was with t2 and meta mods, add in some shiny and that should improve chances. Also with 2 ships and 5 missions that means there are a few that can be done. worst case you ignore a few of them and decline them at no penalty

I really wish I was on sisi trying these out right now

For the running of lv4 missions? What's the point?

What would be the best way to make an interesting alternative to these burners? Would you want to make v2 and v3 that are direct main counters to the main way of fighting against the burners? Or would it be better to spend some time on burner AI, and make it possible for them to warp away or have a couple alternative fighting styles based on how you engage. For example, they could pop their own drugs if they feel too threatened for a chance to be extra evasive or dangerous.

I think something in their AI needs to be tweaked so that they orbit / keep at range from the closest player target. The reason for this is that when the burners switch targets to a drone, for instance, they allow player ships to get in close and instead solely focus on orbiting the drone. Or, when multiple players engage the burners, currently they will pick a target, orbit that player and do their stuff, and completely ignore everyone else, making it very easy for other players to get in close and web etc. You can use this to easily kill these burners in groups, such as by having the player being orbited draw the burner toward other players who can then pounce.

If, instead, the burners kept at range and orbited whoever the closest player ship is, this would make it much more difficult (and better IMO) for groups to swarm burners easily.

They can't be capped out. Try using ships which directly counter the faction you're fighting.

Though this is an untactful post to make I really feel the need to make it.

Fozzie you have posted several posts in this thread over the past few days and have (seemingly) ignored some of the other threads regarding to the hyperion changes, most notably the wormhole changes. With hyperion coming soon the wormhole player-base that is in outcry over the mass-based spawn distance feel that you have abandoned the thread and are going through with the change regardless of the player feedback posted there. This is just the general opinion on the thread I'm not accusing you of such, however I would really appreciate seeing a post from you in that thread to confirm you have been reading it and to let us know what is going on on that front.

Now, to make this not a completely off topic post. The burner missions have a lot of potential, the one thing I would like to see in the future with them is some form of 'public missions' where a bounty is placed on the NPC and players have to use locator agents and speed to find and catch the burner, adding some competition .Also having the burners be even tougher in these public sites, and if they survive and win a fight with a player to leave to a new system and maybe have their bounty increased proportionally to the player's lossmail (Like the current bounty system in reverse, preventing people from just continously dying to the burner on purpose to increase it's bounty)

So, I finally played abit with new burner missions...

Easiest to me was angel burner, I used triple web vengeance, warped in thinking that he will permatank my 180 rocket dps with low sig, but he dropped very fast in like 40 secs without doing any serious damage to me (actually was tanking him with 1 sar).

Guristas burner... oh well, after failed try to catch him with enyo (2,2k/s vs 3,6k/s) I just warped 170dps lml hawk at 0 and killed him withou moving, comfortably tanking him with medium booster. Quite easy too.

Serpentis pirate, I tried to kill him with hawk, but he just laughed at my rockets sitting 1km from my webs (ofc I could overheat, but they burned before I was able to kill him and I consider switching heat damaged mods with depot too cheesy) - so I docked my hawk and ganked him with worm.

Sansha - I expected hard fight, but apparently he doesnt tank nor dps very well, I was already tired, so decided for quick gank with worm, not much issues with him.

Cruor bastard - this guy is on another level thanks to his neuting and tank. I tried wolf, jag, daredevil (I thought dd can get under his guns, well, nope), hawk, vengeance - but either I couldnt break his tank or couldnt survive long enough to properly dps him. So, worm time - even with 340 dps worm (yup, bought augmented drones) it took so long, that I almost ran out of boosters in my asbs. Yeah, and I killed him with 2 last drones in structure.

This was done only with t2/meta modules (incl t2 rigs) and 3% implants - so I guess on tq with bunch of faction/deadspace stuff things will be little easier, except for drones (I cant see myself using augmented drones on tq, they die like flies when targeted).

My feelings about burner missions... mixed. I like new pve content, but these mission feel so static to me - figure out specific fit and then just warp in, hit f1 and wait. I would be happier if burner rats had actually less tank and better ai + more variety in fits.

Btw, if you want to try burner missions without losing ships, just take depot with you and refit to wcs if you want to leave, it is also good for trying different fits and tactics against burners.

P.S. Imo these mission should be available only for 1 pilot, with 2 pilots they are laughably trivial.