Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sounds like a fear of the unknown. Sometimes you just need to say: shoot it anyways and take the risk.

Personally, I like the double wrap option to obscure the contents. Be it 1 Trit with a bunch of Garbage all wrapped up or some very expensive items, it is nice to know you can keep the element of mystery in space going.

Don't you like mysteries?

It's not particularly imbalanced on basic T1 industrials because you can indeed just shoot them. "Just" shooting a freighter is prohibitively expensive for almost all gankers.

Found the problem, you're looking for garaunteed isk, on a job that should be a gamble to begin with. See every job in Eve is a gamble. Miners get bumped all the time, traders get to the station they're selling their stuff at only to find someone beat them to it, or, worse yet, they'd not get to the place they were selling, because they get picked off by gankers. Haulers can't just leave one station, fly to another, and call it a day, they have to be watchful for gankers, WTs, they have to read the contract and look for things that are red flags that MAYBE this is a set up.

As a ganker, you have a pretty good idea of how long it takes to pop a given freighter. If this guy went with more armor it'll take that long, if that guy went with more cargo it'll take this long. You should have a pretty good idea of how long it takes for Concord to respond in any given area (or you're just bad at your job). So if A is the time it takes you to pop this freighter, and B is the time it takes for concord to show up, as long as A is greater than B you know you're going to get him. Now, as long as your cargo scanner says that his cargo is going to be worth more than your ship, you're set. Gauranteed Profit.

For Low sec it's a little different, you have to watch the gates, see who is coming and going, see if people are arriving with them, and then, same steps as above, but with even LESS of a gamble.

I won't say it's not an exploit, it's certainly an exploit. It's also an exploit that introduces a decision making step that was lacking before. A gamble, just like everyone else.

So while it is an exploit, it is not an issue. Like the GM told you.

YET another comment to add, and this one wins this forum post.

Ever try placing a can within a can? NO OBVIOUSLY you cant. WHY? Because its a Planck generator.

AND I QUOTE FROM THE ERROR MESSAGE.

"You cannot place a Planck generator container within another Planck generator, as it will cause a graviton harmonics chain reaction whose end cannot be determined."

SO WHY....

Can you put a courier within a courier?

Well obviously, it is putting a Planck generator inside of a Planck generator, and I think we have figured out what the graviton harmonics chain reaction results in, the breaking of the cargo scanning mechanic, killmails, and war reports. Thats what happens, and CCP needs to fix this.

I win. Victory is mine.

"YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!
GOOD DAY SIR!" - Willy wonka

NOW CCP FIX THIS EXPLOIT. PLEASE. :D

Edit: And for those wondering, A COURIER is also a Planck generator. (You can't put them in cans.)

Technically, they shouldn't be, and neither should some of the cans, as they do not have the TARDIS-like ability of being bigger on the inside.

The second wrap is a .3 mm thick layer of an AlSn alloy tied to a galvanic discharge mechanism

As a ganker, I endorse this suggestion, but not quite as unreservedly as you might expect.

I would endorse it if (and only if) it comes at the same time as two new types of modules. Low slot, 1 CPU, 0 PG so freighters can fit them.

- Cargo Hold Concealer 1
- This module causes each item in your cargo hold to have a 25% lower chance to appear on cargo scan results. (Base chance is 100%)
- Repeated cargo scanning allows a new chance to detect each item
- DIminishing returns.
- Tech 2 version - 30%.

- Cargo Scan Disruptor 1
- This module causes any attempt to cargo scan your ship to take 40% longer.
- Diminishing returns.
- Tech 2 version - 45%.

This would provide more options for freighter pilots (the ones with a brain in their heads at least) to fit intelligently for the task at hand, and would allow CCP to close the long-standing loophole.



Edit: Also I couldn't care less about the killmail side of things.

I am thinking the continued existence of code. would say otherwise.

Generally alliances fall apart when more bad than good is happening. A corp/alliance can be good to be in...but if its reaching the point your are hemorrhaging isk for little to no gain....its usually when you see the people start to go its been fun but this too rich for my blood.

Now if its harder for independents who don't join the code. "blob"....well that's eve as I will direct now you to the fix null threads. Organized crews of larger size tend to make things work better. Empire "pvp'ers" now get the same meta out of empire does. Maybe you all could get together and create you own "provi" in empire to resolve this. Not a blob...but not a disoganized bunch of drunk off moonshine hillbillies running around with shotguns either.

rcs619 wrote:

But, it gives *all* of the advantage to the haulers. There's literally no way for people trying to gank to counter the plastic wrap. Which essentially makes the whole gameplay style of cargo-scanning useless. I would call any work-around that completely nullifies an entire other play-style an exploit. Or at best a toxic mechanic that needs to be fixed. If haulers need such sweeping protection, why not just remove the cargo-scanner from the game completely? Being able to decide whether or not something is worth it is totally OP. Why not remove local chat in all of known space too? Being able to know how many hostiles are in system so that you can plan accordingly gives so many people such an unfair advantage.

You are amazingly ignorant.

Plastic wrap does NOT remove all the risk for the hauler. Why?
1.) You can usually tell when they have a plastic wrapped package in their cargo.
2.) People generally don't plastic wrap something unless it is valuable.
3.) This leaves you with a gamble, do you gank them knowing they probably have something valuable, or let them pass because it isn't worth the risk to you? You can get intel on pilots too, thereby improving your estimation odds.

Many haulers don't want to risk losing their ship when they aren't carrying anything valuable, which means they don't hide their cargo load. This limits the number of plastic wraps you encounter, which puts the odds in favor of ganking them. What has changed? Are your profit margin's so skimpy you can't afford several profitless ganks?

It really sounds like you're an incompetent ganker, that can't adapt to the changing hauling landscape.

Realize, CCP has been tweaking the ganker-gankee playstyle for as long as the game has been in play. Sometimes they do dramatic changes (Add concord, remove insurance, add ABCs, rebalance ships, etc), and sometimes they do minor changes (tweak concord response times, add lowslots to freighters, etc). In the current landscape, you can still gank for profit very effectively, if you know what you are doing. Can you please enlighten us as to why double wrapped freighters have suddenly become an issue?

To be frank, you should be lobbying for items in the Orca's SMA to drop rather than QQ'ing about double-wrapped packages.

Ganking too difficult for you ???

Perhaps CCP should also allow me to scan a 10/10 or other anom to see how much nano ribs/loot drops I get before I waste my time running it and end up getting nothing much of value.

Ganker tears best tears

EDIT- I double wrap everything I haul on my hauler alt.. even if its just ammo.. I feel I need to make it fun for gankers too..